Alabama vs Raiders

[JohnnyD]

That was talked about on The Herd this morning, it has been talked about before, a stud NCAA team vs a weak NFL team or a CFL team. It usually gets ...just kids vs grown men....all the NFLers are well NFLers, a college team might have 10-12 NFL caliber players if that. The NFL would roll, wouldn't even be close.

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Keep in mind that was the NFL's best and a legendary NFL team. College kid WR Emmett Edwards from Kansas was faster than any Steeler.

The college kids did win a few of those games.

So many times some rookies usually RB's step right in and take off, they aren't intimidated at all. There really is something about young legs.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bama would beat about half the NFL teams including the Quack Prescott boys.

[JohnnyD]

Bama would beat about half the NFL teams including the Quack Prescott boys.

Ah, nope.

But, I do think most seasons Alabama wouldn't embarrash themselves vs the lower wrung NFL teams. I can see NFL 32 Bama 20. Now Bama vs the Pats would get ugly.

That Raider team we saw vs my Niners would be hard pressed vs this Bama team with the at ude they had.

All NFL teams are full of guys that Alabama would never have recruited. A lot of NFLers could never have started at Alabama.

Joey Boza had 10 sacks his rookie season, the NFL no big deal. And nobody in the league is improving on their combine 40 time after a few NFL seasons.

I do think these Saban Bama teams would beat up on those Lombardi Packer teams. Too big and too fast.

[Silver&Black]

Raiders by 5 touchdowns

[spurraider21]

Raiders by 5 touchdowns

what about the second half?

[JohnnyD]

Raiders by 5 touchdowns

If I would have asked up how do you think the mighty 75 Pittsburgh Steelers would fare vs a bunch of college all stars just thrown together would you have told me they win 21-14?

There is no doubt any good NFL team would kick NCAA butt, but not so sure bad pro teams are all that much better than Alabama. Bama the only NCAA school that might hang close.

Tons of NFLers wouldn't start for Alabama in their college days.

[Silver&Black]

what about the second half?

you mother ers ain't that good

[FrostKing]

If I would have asked up how do you think the mighty 75 Pittsburgh Steelers would fare vs a bunch of college all stars just thrown together would you have told me they win 21-14?

There is no doubt any good NFL team would kick NCAA butt, but not so sure bad pro teams are all that much better than Alabama. Bama the only NCAA school that might hang close.

Tons of NFLers wouldn't start for Alabama in their college days.

NFL teams are weaker today. The sport is less physical so the age/size difference isn't as important.

[Ghazi]

I doubt this would be compe ive, but I don't think it would be like a 70-0 affair either.

But like, if you include Bama in the v worst NFL teams debate, may as well include teams like Clemson and Georgia too.

[Mark Celibate]

Tons of NFLers wouldn't start for Alabama in their college days.

Who gives a ?

Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have started at USC over Matt Leinart either, but he's galaxies ahead of him as an NFL quarterback.

Whenever these debates pop up, I think the huge mismatch in the trenches and QB play is what would make all of these blowouts for the most part. I couldn't see any college team having any success running against an NFL front seven, and just about every college QB would immediately the bed against the speed of an NFL defense. I actually think the individual skill positions matchups of WR/CB and RB/Linebacker wouldn't be that bad with some of the elite college teams.

Take 2005 USC as an example. Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Steve Smith, and Dwayne Jarrett. That's not a bad group by NFL standard, imo and those guys could go in and produce right away. But as we saw Matt Leinart was pretty as an NFL quarterback and would've only been tier while in college with no professional training/experience.

Same with a team like 2008 Florida. rofl at the idea of college Tim Tebow scoring more than 10 against an NFL defense. For the most part, I can't really think of a college "super team" that had an elite QB who stepped in and produced right away in the NFL. It's mostly been gimmick quarterbacks on these teams who would immediately flounder against NFL defenses

[spurraider21]

Who gives a ?

Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have started at USC over Matt Leinart either, but he's galaxies ahead of him as an NFL quarterback.

Whenever these debates pop up, I think the huge mismatch in the trenches and QB play is what would make all of these blowouts for the most part. I couldn't see any college team having any success running against an NFL front seven, and just about every college QB would immediately the bed against the speed of an NFL defense. I actually think the individual skill positions matchups of WR/CB and RB/Linebacker wouldn't be that bad with some of the elite college teams.

Take 2005 USC as an example. Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Steve Smith, and Dwayne Jarrett. That's not a bad group by NFL standard, imo and those guys could go in and produce right away. But as we saw Matt Leinart was pretty as an NFL quarterback and would've only been tier while in college with no professional training/experience.

Same with a team like 2008 Florida. rofl at the idea of college Tim Tebow scoring more than 10 against an NFL defense. For the most part, I can't really think of a college "super team" that had an elite QB who stepped in and produced right away in the NFL. It's mostly been gimmick quarterbacks on these teams who would immediately flounder against NFL defenses

trojans with palmer?

but yeah, the trenches are night and day. maurice hurst was unblockable in college and hasn't had much of an impact as a rookie for oakland.

michael sam is another flaming example

[JohnnyD]

NFL teams are weaker today. The sport is less physical so the age/size difference isn't as important.

Good point and yep, ya got it.

[JohnnyD]

I doubt this would be compe ive, but I don't think it would be like a 70-0 affair either.

But like, if you include Bama in the v worst NFL teams debate, may as well include teams like Clemson and Georgia too.

I do see Alabama as being "special" when it comes to NCAA teams. I can't say that about any other school.

[JohnnyD]

Who gives a ?

Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have started at USC over Matt Leinart either, but he's galaxies ahead of him as an NFL quarterback.

Whenever these debates pop up, I think the huge mismatch in the trenches and QB play is what would make all of these blowouts for the most part. I couldn't see any college team having any success running against an NFL front seven, and just about every college QB would immediately the bed against the speed of an NFL defense. I actually think the individual skill positions matchups of WR/CB and RB/Linebacker wouldn't be that bad with some of the elite college teams.

Take 2005 USC as an example. Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Steve Smith, and Dwayne Jarrett. That's not a bad group by NFL standard, imo and those guys could go in and produce right away. But as we saw Matt Leinart was pretty as an NFL quarterback and would've only been tier while in college with no professional training/experience.

Same with a team like 2008 Florida. rofl at the idea of college Tim Tebow scoring more than 10 against an NFL defense. For the most part, I can't really think of a college "super team" that had an elite QB who stepped in and produced right away in the NFL. It's mostly been gimmick quarterbacks on these teams who would immediately flounder against NFL defenses

Good stuff~!

I do think there are those not aware of the fact they did play that College All Star game and the college kids did beat NFL Champions. Who would say it would be impossible for NFL Champs to lose to a college team just thrown together.

Obviously the college kids would be far more stoked than the pros.

Like I said Alabama vs a good NFL team stands no chance, but vs the 0-16 Browns, other bad NFL teams, they could hang.

[HarlemHeat37]

They could beat the Raiders, but only because they've clearly quit on Gruden

Also, the NFL is less physical than the past against QBs and receivers, but nothing has changed in the trenches, offensive vs. defensive line is still just as physical as ever..as my guy Mark Celibate said, that's where the biggest difference is seen..

[JohnnyD]

They could beat the Raiders, but only because they've clearly quit on Gruden

Also, the NFL is less physical than the past against QBs and receivers, but nothing has changed in the trenches, offensive vs. defensive line is still just as physical as ever..as my guy Mark Celibate said, that's where the biggest difference is seen..

That is what brought this on, THIS Raider team would have a hard time with Alabama. They aren't good and the college kids would be totally stoked.

We are always seeing rookies having no problems vs veteran NFL's, it's not OH MY GOD...at all.

Gale Sayers had a far better NFL rookie season than he did a senior season at Kansas.

[JohnnyD]

What are the odds?

I guess it was yesterday when Vegas came out with ...

Buffalo Bills - 28.5 vs Alabama.

I totally respect what those guys do, they do know their stuff. I cannot buck their opinion.

But....I do think the Bills are better than the 2018 Raiders. Thinking Raiders - 21. But what if "at" Alabama?

[SpursforSix]

What are the odds?

I guess it was yesterday when Vegas came out with ...

Buffalo Bills - 28.5 vs Alabama.

I totally respect what those guys do, they do know their stuff. I cannot buck their opinion.

But....I do think the Bills are better than the 2018 Raiders. Thinking Raiders - 21. But what if "at" Alabama?

This is the dumbest argument that keeps coming up.

So a team of pros that were the best of the best at college can't beat a team where some will go to the pros and most will not?
Not to mention that the pros are all more experienced.

[JohnnyD]

This is the dumbest argument that keeps coming up.

So a team of pros that were the best of the best at college can't beat a team where some will go to the pros and most will not?
Not to mention that the pros are all more experienced.

I once won a 20 bucks at a bar...."college teams have beaten NFL Champs before". Nobody believed me. And that is hard to buy, first off...when and why did this happen?

They did play the College All Star game way back when. This was a collection of college studs vs the current NFL Champ. Yep, the college kids won a few of those games. How?

If the college kids could beat the best pro team think of what they could have done vs a bad NFL team.

Those college teams only had a few weeks together and no NFL experience but it just didn't matter.

There are tons of NFLers that Bama would never have recruited, a lot of small school guys who starred vs La Tech, Furman, NWLa, Fresno State etc, how would they have done vs SEC compe ion?

[Darth_Pelican]

This is the dumbest argument that keeps coming up.

So a team of pros that were the best of the best at college can't beat a team where some will go to the pros and most will not?
Not to mention that the pros are all more experienced.

Yep. Imagine all of the mismatches all over the field that would be exposed. Example: the Bills would find the weak link Bama CB who will never play in the pros and basically throw at will against him.

[JohnnyD]

Yep. Imagine all of the mismatches all over the field that would be exposed. Example: the Bills would find the weak link Bama CB who will never play in the pros and basically throw at will against him.

Josh Allen left Wyoming with a 56ish comp % in a weak conference. Imagine him vs SEC defenses.

[SpursforSix]

Josh Allen left Wyoming with a 56ish comp % in a weak conference. Imagine him vs SEC defenses.

Imagine a college defense accounting for professional TE, WR, RB all over the field. Not to mention getting very little penetration on defense or offense.
It's laughable.

[JohnnyD]

Imagine a college defense accounting for professional TE, WR, RB all over the field. Not to mention getting very little penetration on defense or offense.
It's laughable.

So how did those thrown together college teams ever beat NFL Champions?

Take Tyreek Hill at Oklahoma State, he could blow by any NFL cornerback. Think of Mack, he could get by any NFL tackle. 19 sacks in his first two seasons. Boza 10 sacks as a rookie.

[SpursforSix]

So how did those thrown together college teams ever beat NFL Champions?

Take Tyreek Hill at Oklahoma State, he could blow by any NFL cornerback. Think of Mack, he could get by any NFL tackle.

I don't know. I'm not going to research it.

But you said it was a group of college all stars. So I'm assuming most of those guys turned into pros.
And since this was a long time ago, I'm assuming that the NFL offenses weren't as exotic as they are now.
Or the lineman as well trained and physically imposing.

And you're talking about 2 different things.

1) the worst of the best pros playing the best college team
and
2) the best of college players playing the best pro team

[JohnnyD]

I don't know. I'm not going to research it.

But you said it was a group of college all stars. So I'm assuming most of those guys turned into pros.
And since this was a long time ago, I'm assuming that the NFL offenses weren't as exotic as they are now.
Or the lineman as well trained and physically imposing.

Alabama would crush any of those college All Star teams back then. And those NFL Champs. Way too big and fast.

The Raiders offensive line.

300
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Bama's D line

301
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And I bet the college kids have younger legs (ya reckon) and more burst because of non NFL wear and tear.