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    could also kill a bunch of universities into the bargain

    DOGE is national self-wounding on a monumental scale

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    [COLOR=rgb(39 39 39/var(--tw-text-opacity))]Congressional Research Service. National Ins utes of Health (NIH) Funding: FY1996-FY2023. Updated January 31, 2023. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43341/45.
    National Ins utes of Health. Direct Economic Contributions. National Ins utes of Health. https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-w...-contributions.
    National Ins utes of Health. NIH Research Highlights. National Ins utes of Health. https://www.nih.gov/research-trainin...rch-highlights
    United for Medical Research. Annual Economic Report. https://www.unitedformedicalresearch...onomic-report/.

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    Zhou EW, Jackson MJ, Ledley FD. Spending on Phased Clinical Development of Approved Drugs by the US National Ins utes of Health Compared With Industry. JAMA Health Forum. 2023;4(7):e231921. Published 2023 Jul 7. doi:10.1001/jamahealthforum.2023.1921.
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    Leave a score among them!!!

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    Big pharma can fund them

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    Big pharma can fund them
    they won't though

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    We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.

    It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.

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    Big pharma can fund them
    That's not the way capitalism works.

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    We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.

    It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
    Didn't you hear, we're going Green energy

    Europe was about to drop a Trillion in funds to be a cool continent while slashing jobs and nuking industries in the process. Yaaa that cute little pet project is being put to the side.

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    We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.

    It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
    Oh off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bull like our national offense spending.

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    We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.

    It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
    so, you support the El0n/Trump junta?

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    Not sure where I've heard this kind of "ends justify the means" talk before.

    Do you believe the ends justify the means, DMX7?

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    "Because of a contingent future probability that is by no means averted by destroying our form of goverment, it is necessary to destroy our form of government right now"
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    Just assuming you're aware of Trump's intention to wreck the revenue side with more tax cuts...

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    We've spent the last 25ish years living above our means. The bill is coming due. Cuts are going to have to come one way or another before we have a major debt crisis that forces even more painful cuts.

    It's quite tragic. Many people are living in denial about it.
    This is not what Trump and President Elon are doing.

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    Oh off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bull like our national offense spending.
    Okay, cut said bull .

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    Oh off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bull like our national offense spending.
    Oh off SQW's

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    Oh off, you don't cut productive parts of the government. You cut bull like our national offense spending.
    We're running a $2 trillion deficit and in good economic times. We're going to have to cut both though to what extent is appropriate is debatable.

    It's still going to have to be dramatic cuts.

    When you say "productive" -- this is pretty vague. You can always make economic arguments for the vast majority of government spending including military. People will say things to the effect of "it creates jobs" or "has an economic multiplier effect" or something like that.

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    We're running a $2 trillion deficit and in good economic times. We're going to have to cut both though to what extent is appropriate is debatable.

    It's still going to have to be dramatic cuts.

    When you say "productive" -- this is pretty vague. You can always make economic arguments for the vast majority of government spending including military. People will say things to the effect of "it creates jobs" or "has an economic multiplier effect" or something like that.
    You're a ing dumbass, Trump's cutting the NIH funding so he can give his fellow robber barons a giant tax cut.

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    You're a ing dumbass, Trump's cutting the NIH funding so he can give his fellow robber barons a giant tax cut.
    Tax cuts or not, steep cuts are going to have to come regardless. Tax cuts will just mean the spending cuts have to be even more aggressive but get used to it unless you want to see us spiral towards bankruptcy. Even the billionaires like Musk know everyone will pay if the government implodes because of the debt spiral.

    I know it makes you mad, but I can't wish it away for you.

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    Tax cuts or not, steep cuts are going to have to come regardless. Tax cuts will just mean the spending cuts have to be even more aggressive but get used to it unless you want to see us spiral towards bankruptcy. Even the billionaires like Musk know everyone will pay if the government implodes because of the debt spiral.

    I know it makes you mad, but I can't wish it away for you.
    they don't care.

    I can't wish that away for you.

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Tax cuts or not, steep cuts are going to have to come regardless. Tax cuts will just mean the cutting has to be even more aggressive but get used to it unless you want to see us spiral towards bankruptcy. Even the billionaires like Musk know everyone will pay if the government implodes because of the debt spiral.

    I know it makes you mad, but I can't wish it away for you.
    It's bad faith bull to whine about spending when you know 100% Trump is going to blow the deficit to just like he did last time just like every single Republican does to deliver tax cuts to the ruling class

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    It's bad faith bull to whine about spending when you know 100% Trump is going to blow the deficit to just like he did last time just like every single Republican does to deliver tax cuts to the ruling class
    My taxes were cut under Trump and Biden kept those cuts. I'm not a billionaire

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    I'm for cutting gain of function research from NIH

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    My taxes were cut under Trump and Biden kept those cuts. I'm not a billionaire
    He sure didn't pay down the debt like you pretend he will.

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    they don't care.

    I can't wish that away for you.
    No, I think most care including Musk. A government crippled by a debt crisis will have to cut funding for his beloved projects like SpaceX. He is also a businessman that knows how to cut costs.

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    No, I think most care including Musk. A government crippled by a debt crisis will have to cut funding for his beloved projects like SpaceX. He is also a businessman that knows how to cut costs.
    Which of his SpaceX contracts is Elon canceling?

    How much did he pay in taxes to help out with the debt?

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