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karma is a biatch isnt it
...The pistons wouldn't get tired as the season neared its end.
Don't look now but... The Pistons have 11 losses while the Mavs and Spurs have 12.
karma is a biatch isnt it
It's funny, Chauncey said to the paper within the last couple days that he doesn't see any fatigue in anyone. This was the 7th game in 10 days with travel between each day, and the 2nd of a back to back. Any team would be fatigued. I don't think he meant long term. I just think he meant that they were fatigued at the end of that game. They've got 3 days off now, so everything should be good to go.
And personally, I don't care about HCA. The Mavs aren't going to make it to the finals, and the Pistons have proven they can win in San Antoino, so it's not a big deal either way. I would just assume they wrap up the east and get the starters fresh for the playoffs. Pistons still own the tie-breaker anyways.
Sense, back to back road games 2,000 miles from home is tiring to all teams at any point in the season.
The Spurs are 4-6 in back-to-backs this year and only 3-6 when the 2nd game of the B2B is on the road.
Losses
@ Dallas
@ Washington
@ Atlanta
@ NO/Oklahoma City
@ Phoenix
@ Cleveland
Wins
@ New York
@ NO/Oklahoma City
@ Golden State
Golden State (home)
Not sure what point you're trying to make?
Pistons are 12-5 in back to backs this year including 7-4 when the second game is on the road
Losses
@ Dallas
@ Utah
Utah
@ Indiana
@ Lakers
Wins
Toronto
@ Portland
@ Milwaukee
@ Chicago
@ Charlotte
Portland
@ NY
Milwaukee
Minnesota
L.A. Clippers
@ Chicago
@ Cleveland
The Pistons have 22 back to backs this year.
The Spurs have 16 back to backs this year.
The scheduling gods strongly favored S.A. and with your record on B2B's it's a good thing.
Someone has a problem with fatigue but it doesn't appear to be the Pistons
-For Mavsfan1000, you're 9-5 on B2B's and have a total of 19 B2B's this season. At this point in time you're 6-4 when the 2nd game is on the road.
Last edited by jochhejaam; 03-05-2006 at 06:09 AM.
joch this isnt about the crap you ranted on about.
its about you guys saying being tired wont be an issue.
in which you are all owned for it now. thanks to chaunceys own words.
pistons schedule is tougher because of more b2bs? right. i dont see the pistons going on the road for 12 games.....
double pwned. sweet.
I usually refrain from commenting on your posts because they're so boneheaded in nature (and this one's no exception). but if I pointed out that fatigue is more of an issue with the Spurs than it is with the Pistons then I've quite clearly made my point.
I don't expect you to grasp anything other than the most simplest of concepts and this point will no doubt clear the signals from your satellite as well.
I'll have to see if someone offers a class in cavemanese and once I master it we'll have a discussion.
You're right, we go on the road 41 times, same as the Spurs.
And if you're saying that you went on the road (hard to say what you had in mind there) for 12 straight then you're wrong although you did have 8 straight on the road.
You owned yourself on this one and I'll admit that's quite a feat, nothing to brag about mind you but definitely noteworthy
What determines HCA in the Finals???
Is it the regular season record, or whoever won more of the 2 regular season games???
Regular season.
They may have won Game 6 last year in our gym, but when it comes to deciding games at the now AT&T Center, your Pistons are 0-1.
I thought that Billups comments reflected more on the fact that they play such heavy minutes night after night back 2 back or not. B2B's are going to fatigue any team but with the amount of minutes that Flip has his starters playing everynight is the main reason why Billups might be saying that. When Flip had KG he was at the top of the league in minutes played per game which may have factored in the way they performed in the playoffs (not including the inability to adjust the game plan).
There must be an optimal amount of minutes or threshold that each player can play that maximizes his performance. I think Flip and other coaches closely monitor their minutes and look for that threshold and the temptation may be to push it a bit at the end of close games in order to pick up a win. Our 5 starters log between 35.8 and 36.8 which places them between 38th and 50th in the league. I don't think the minutes are excessive to the point where they'll have an impact on them in the playoffs where there are no back-to-back games.
Actually, wouldn't game 6 be considered a deciding game as well? If the Spurs had won, it would have decided the series. Or does it have to be both?
All I know is that I know the Pistons can win in San Antonio. Obviously you'd prefer HCA, but with teams so evenly matched like the Pistons/Spurs, I think HCA is more of a factor depending on the conference finals. Last year the Pistons came off of a 7 game series against a rested Spurs team. I think that really hurt them a lot more than not having HCA.
Also, maybe it's just me, but I kind of prefer those first 2 games to be on the road, because all the pressure is on the home team to win both of those games. The road team can really get a lot of momentum if they just steal 1. Last year, the way the conference finals played out for both teams didn't help the Pistons any trying to accomplish that.
Last edited by FreshPrince22; 03-05-2006 at 04:40 PM.
Starter fatigue or not, I want to see more bench minutes just so the bench gets DEVELOPED. So that if we hit a two- or three-minute stretch where NOTHING is falling, we'll be able to count on somebody off the bench like Delk or Delfino for a little spark. (Delfino in particular, IMHO, should be getting at least 10 minutes/game, mainly at Tayshaun's expense).
And just to go OT here, Chauncey's post-All-Star-break assist/TO ratio is STILL a startling 9.4 : 1.
just accept the fact that you guys are getting tired and stop beating round the bush
I don't know what Pistons fans said that the Pistons starters wouldn't get tired AT ALL, as the season neared its end. But, I sure believed and still do that the Pistons starters won't be fatigued ANY MORE than any other NBA players who play starter minutes.
Over an 82 game regular season, with the travel and the back-to-backs and sometimes stretches with a lot of games in a short amount of time, almost every player logging starter minutes is going to feel fatigue at some point during the season.
If there were Pistons fans that said specifically that the Pistons starters would not feel fatigued AT ALL, then they were wrong. But, if what they meant was they won't be any more tired than other NBA starters, I think that's true.
But ask yourself ...
Why would Rasheed's 35.8 minutes a game make him more tired than Tim Duncan's 35.5 minutes a game? Will those extra 25 minutes over six months and 82 games make that much of a difference?
Will Rip Hamilton be much less fatigued and fresher than Dwyane Wade in the playoffs because Rip averages 36.6 mpg and Wade averages 39.0 mpg? Should Wade be resting games right now at the end of the season?
Would Tayshaun Prince outplay LeBron in a playoffs series if Cleveland and Detroit met since Tayshaun logs 36.2 mpg to LeBron's 42.5 mpg? Should Mike Brown be chastised for playing LeBron ALL THE TIME?
Are Elton Brand's 39.9 mpg going to make him that much less productive than Ben and his 36.3 mpg?
Kobe Bryant averages 40.7 mpg and Allen Iverson averages 43.6 mpg, and yet you don't hear that much talk about fatigue with them. Yet, people love to talk about fatigue with respect to the Pistons starters. And, yet actually, Kobe, Dirk, Iverson, Wade, Duncan, Nash, and LeBron are the types of players that face double and tiple teams and have the burden to score or make plays for their respective teams upwards of 70-80% of the time. And, the Pistons starters, who rarely see double teams and share the burden of scoring, and defense should be more concerned about fatigue towards the end of the season?
Chew on that for a minute.
YES, the Pistons players have been and will be tired and somewhat fatigued over the last part of the regular season and even into the playoffs to a certain extent. But, not more than any other NBA starter logging 35+ minutes a game, especially those who are "stars" that require the focus and physical demands of being the center attraction on a team.
You're comparing your whole team to allstars.... ^
Most are Veteran All-stars...
You make a GOOD POINT!
Thanks ... I think.
But, I'm not sure what being an all-star has anything to do with fatigue. I compared the Pistons starters to all-stars because those all-stars log heavy minutes as starters. Does being an all-star, or more importantly a veteran all-star, preclude them from experiencing fatigue? Just curious.
I could compare the Pistons starters to non-all star players like the following:
Andre Miller 36.7 mpg
Andre Iguodala 37.7 mpg
Richard Jefferson 39.8 mpg
Raja Bell 38.2 mpg
Lamar Odom 39.4 mpg
I'd still ask the same question. Would fatigue not affect those players just the same as the Pistons starters? Or wouldn't those players feel even more fatigue since they average MORE minutes per game? Does it make a difference that their other teammates who start don't all average 35-37 minutes per game.
So, is it the fact that the Pistons are winning or are known for playing tough defense make a difference in terms of them feeling more fatigue at some point in the regular season? Serious and sincere question ... does it?
Last edited by JamStone; 03-06-2006 at 10:42 AM.
In otherwords, you're one stupid who got owned quite easily and can't handle it.You're right, we go on the road 41 times, same as the Spurs.
And if you're saying that you went on the road (hard to say what you had in mind there) for 12 straight then you're wrong although you did have 8 straight on the road.
You owned yourself on this one and I'll admit that's quite a feat, nothing to brag about mind you but definitely noteworthy
Looza.
Meh the East playoffs are going to be boring.
I'm still trying to make sense of that one myself.
Spurs didn't really have an 8 game road trip. They had a 3 game road trip and a 5 game road trip with almost a full week in between, at which they went home to San Antonio and rested before going on to the 5 game road trip.
12-6 over the last 18 (in 30 days).
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