Don't know if anyone has seen this, hey Brut it says Texas-Piggies again in 08-09.
http://www.statesman.com/sports/cont...4/25bohls.html
The clock is still ticking.
You can all but hear time running out on the Texas-Oklahoma football game, as we know it. And we knew it for 77 consecutive years as one of the top attractions in all of sports.
Maybe, it will remain as such.
Probably not in Dallas.
"I think it's 80-20 that Texas will leave," said someone with connections to both Texas and the Cotton Bowl.
Personally, I take a real-estate agent's tack to this scenario. It's all about location, location, location. And I like it where it is.
And barring a change of heart by Texas — or firm, credible promises that the City of Dallas really will renovate the stadium with more than a Band-Aid and maybe even add a dozen luxury boxes — I believe sadly that the location will soon change.
Come 2009, I expect we will see the Texas-Oklahoma game for the last time at the broken-down Cotton Bowl. But that might not be the end of a marquee football matchup involving the Longhorns in the Metroplex.
Texas has had internal conversations about playing the Arkansas Razorbacks every year in Dallas, presumably at the Dallas Cowboys' new palace under construction in Arlington.
Texas officials will not confirm this, and it's only in the talking stage. Probably won't ever happen, but who thought Texas-OU would ever consider leaving Dallas?
This, however, will happen: Texas and Arkansas will soon announce another home-and-home series in 2008 and 2009, and if the games are anything like the ones in 2003-04, they'll be wildly entertaining.
Those who despise Arkansas adamantly oppose such games because they would enhance the Hogs' recruiting in Texas. That's true, but does anything short of scholarship limits hurt Mack Brown's recruiting? And if the renewed rivalry would help Arkansas, it might hurt OU, which desperately needs such a toehold in this state.
Dallas and the State Fair have eagerly pushed for a commitment from Texas — they already have one from OU — so they can put a $50 million bond proposal to renovate the Cotton Bowl on the November ballot. They need to know sooner, probably by early May.
It seems Texas is slow-playing the issue long enough so that the bond package may be removed for lack of any assurance from the Longhorns. An Oklahoma official said the Sooners would consider playing another team (not A&M) in Dallas if the Texas series there ends.
Texas doesn't want to be the villain in this episode, and it doesn't want to totally snub Dallas, a fertile recruiting area for the Horns.
DeLoss Dodds, Texas' athletic director, says, "We've got three more years left on the (Cotton Bowl) contract, and we're looking at all our options." He added that the school expects to take a final stance on the issue by the end of May.
"They really want to make it work," Dodds said Monday. "My guess is we're trying to make progress."
Getting anyone on the schedule is tough these days. Texas is talking to San Diego State about a future date and is visiting with Southern Methodist, Texas Christian, New Mexico State, Texas-El Paso and Central Florida about games. Texas could even play these teams on the road.
If they do move Texas-OU, I would endorse a regular non-conference series with Arkansas, although my preference as a replacement series would be an annual game with Notre Dame in the Metroplex. The two schools have tried to arrange future meetings, but Texas wants to play in September and Notre Dame wants to play later in the season, which would disrupt the Longhorns' Big 12 schedule.
Barring that, what would be wrong with subs uting elite opponents for this neutral-site game? Rotate games with Arkansas, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Miami, Florida, Tennessee and Penn State in Dallas. For television, it would be football nirvana.
Bottom line, I prefer that Texas-OU remain at a neutral site and hope the two schools would realize what they will lose and rectify it by at least shifting the game to the Cowboys' home.
Maybe the State Fair could accompany them. Of the four weekends the fairgrounds are open, the second week in October is clearly the most well-attended.
Without question, Texas-OU will lose some — if not most of its charm — if it relocates.
The rivalry will still be as intense. The animosity between the fans will be just as heated. Grandmas will still flip off the team buses. The play on the field will suffer no dropoff, assuming Adrian Peterson or his successors can drive down here in their test-drive Lexuses.
But by making this series a home-and-home affair and moving it to the respective campuses, the schools will irrevocably shatter one of most enduring and special athletic events. There'd be no split stadium. Tradition would take a hit. The individual ticket price for the Texas-OU game would skyrocket.
Why, just the other day, USA Today listed a seat on the 50-yard line at the Texas-OU game as one of its "10 great places for a hot-ticket view of sports."
It was.
Probably no more.
The blame should be spread around. The City of Dallas let one of the classic stadiums in all of college football fall into disrepair and totally took for granted Texas' and OU's undying devotion. Big mistake, that.
Texas shouldn't be the only fall guy. Truth be known, the Cotton Bowl game doesn't even want to stay in the stadium that is its namesake. It has to share the blame and has been noticeably quiet.
Almost assuredly, once it becomes obvious that the Longhorns and Sooners will no longer come to Dallas every October, the good Cotton Bowl folks will shrug their shoulders, follow suit and announce they will move their game west down I-30.
Dallas had better be careful. At this rate, the Mavs and Stars will be headed to Waxahachie.
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Cant say that comes as a total shock but as a fan that has attended several RRS games, it's not hyperbole to say that the Cotton Bowl is a piece of in a piece of area of town. But, damn I love going there and turning this game into a home/home game, while financially is a good thing for both schools, sucks for traditions sake.
Why not Texas Stadium?
Replacing OU with Arkansas?? WTF? I'd like to see Texas play LSU before Arkansas. , I'd like to see UT keep the RRR with ou in Dallas or start a rivalry with UCLA like USC-Norte Dame instead of playing Arkansas.
I don't see how LSU, Arkansas, or any of the other options they mentioned could replace OU seeing as its a conference game. Texas starting an annual game with those other teams is not mutually exclusive of continuing the Red River Shootout.
No, what I'm saying is I'd rather see Texas play LSU over Arkansas, anytime, anyplace. I also wouldn't mind to see UCLA come to Austin and Texas go to Pasadena to develop a rivalry like USC-Norte Dame if the RRS is indeed over. Any of those instead of playing Arkansas again.
What I know being a sooie..
Arkansas does not want to play the Sooners. Why? The Hill is pretty much in Oklahoma being so close, now days it has become hard to keep our own high schoolers such as Mitch Mutain, and Darren McFadden as it is. This would only help OU.
80% of Razorback fans feel like Texas is still an ugly rat running across your room making you want to kill it. Then there's some of us who wanna beat Texas to an ugly mess and pick up the pieces in each High School of Texas even better. Losing to Texas for me isn't much sweat, knowing whatever team you face will run you to the end.
Mr. Bro Bro wants a lasting Texas series before he passes. I mean, he seems not so full of life anymore and I think this would be the last time he saw the Longhorns.
It was only a rivalry to the pig farmers. Just another Rice or Baylor to UT.
It's Texas fans under 30 that think that, the ones that have no sense of history.
No.
It's Texas fans period. UT has owned Ark in that series going back to your choke job in the Great Shootout in '69 or when you all had some good teams under Lou Holtz but still not being able to beat Texas.
Because of the one-sidedness of the series, it's just was not a big deal playing them after awhile.
I still don't get what's supposed to be happening to UT-OU. They say it's just going to change location, but they don't say where. Are they talking about it becoming a home-and-home?
Basically, yes.
One big factor in this from the UT side are the Longhorn Foundation members, particularly the ones who donate a bunch of cash to UT. They're getting tired of the limited options the Cotton Bowl offers such as luxury boxes, etc. Also, to even have a chance to get a ticket to the UT/ou game you have to be a Longhorn Foundation member, which for me as a season ticket holder really sucks. So, the season ticket holder in me would love to see a home/home series with ou, at least I would get to see the game in person once every two years. The football purist in me says leave it at the Cotton Bowl, and maybe someday the wife will let me buy a scalped ticket in order to get into the damn game. At this point two years left on the contract, and from what I've read, AD at Texas/Dodds is looking to get out of the deal because city of Dallas won't come up with significant $ to fix up the Cotton Bowl. Of course City of Dallas wants a commit from both ou and UT in order to put something on the ballot, evidently ou is in on continuing to play there, Dodds and UT are dragging their feet, most likely looking for a way out. I guess they could move the game to the new Cowboys stadium when it's ready, but I'm getting the feeling this thing will be a home/home series in the not too distant future.
I have attended the last few RRS and a few things I can say about the Cotton bowl. First the stadium is a piece of crap, Second it is in a bad part of town, don't be in that area after dark. Third no luxury boxes, this would bring in major money.
I would tear down the CB and start all over.
My sister goes to the UT-OU a lot. I don't know how she goes about getting tix. She's a Texas Ex, but I doubt if she's a Longhorn Foundation member. She is definitely not a big-time contributor or season ticket holder.
That's weird....i've always heard if you're not a student you have to be a huge contributor to get tix to that one
I'll have to ask her. Maybe she's sitting on a pile of cash I need to know about.
Part of the heritage of the game is the neutral site. That would suck to see that go away.
Honestly speaking I don't understand why the shootout is ending myself.
I do however think if all is truth and Arkansas/Texas revives an age old rivalry that we could fill just as many seats if not more than Oklahoma... that much is fact.
If it's about money well, it'll be there against us or the Sooners, but it can't be like another home game for Arkansas all the time like it was in the Cotton Bowl some years back, it should be 50/50. But as well I don't see anyone getting along for several years.
It's like half of the over 30 Hogs fans hate Texas simply because of the history and the at ude over 30 Horns fans have as if "Arkansas doesn't mean to us." As the matter of it being true really doesn't matter, all they see are fighting words.
I pretty much expect a more hostile crowd and more money being made for both schools out of the revived rivalry. And I'm in agreement it doesn't help Texas unless Arkansas can find it's way back into the elite light where is it would help the Hogs recruit even better in Texas as well as all the "kill em" at udes our players will have going into the game. What is true is it means more to us than to the Horns because they know little of the flip side to college football. Arkansas has had to taste bad coaching and piss poor recruiting from some old bat that won't let go and this is his last ditch effort to provide Arkansas a way back into the level we were on for so many years.
And honestly speaking, this couldn't come at a better time for Arkansas as we have several great freshmen and soph's that will be matured by the time the circled Texas game comes around. Scouting reports have Arkansas in the elite 8 in the rushing attack and Darren McFadden has rumors of Heisman if Arkansas can form a team behind him.
Last edited by Brutalis; 04-28-2006 at 12:55 PM.
Don't forget Texas and Arkansas will meet on the court next year and in 2007 as well.
Seems like the Longhorns intrests' are much different from the fans....
Maybe the Longhorns are just looking to pad the schedule with more cupcakes . . .
I know you're kidding but that's the Horns arrogance that fuels old farts that are Hog fans. Me? Well, you'll see is all I say.
You're probably right. But it's an arrogance born out of the fact that Texas leads the all-time series 55-21.
And rightly so I guess. But with Arkansas winning 2 of the last 3 against Texas you'd think considering it's closer to 2010 than 2000 people would I dunno, grow up.
I would love to see the Hogs and Horns every year. Bring back some old SWC flavor!
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