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A little background info on this topic:
Bruce Bowen:
When Bruce Bowen came the Spurs he originally signed for $700,000 for 1 year and an opportunity to compete for a starting role, which he then won fair and square. Bruce turned down a much larger contract from the Miami Heat for this opportunity.
Bruce was signed for one main reason and one main reason only...
Because the prior season the Avery Johnson lead(don't want to piss off the AJ fans by witholding credit for his leadership) Spurs suffered the most humiliating loss in Western Conference Finals history...Getting swept with HCA by the largest average margin of defeat of any team in Western Conference History by the LA Lakers. The major culprits in this humiliation were Kobe Bryant who averaged @ 35PPG against us and Derek Fisher(who set an NBA record for 3pt PCT in a WCF against us).
During Bruce's first year with the team Bruce broke his finger and the Spurs, who were 25-8 at the time, proceeded to drop 12 of their next 23 games.
The Spurs went on to again win 58 games and meet the Lakers in the semi finals. Even though the Spurs again lost that series due to a lack of slashing guards and outside shooting...Kobe Bryant was not near as dominant, the Spurs won a game on the Lakers home court and held a double digit lead entering the 4th quarter of every game.
Bruce was resigned the following year at a fair market value that still left the Spurs flexibility. The Spurs promoted Stephen Jackson to the starting lineup, traded to get Steve Kerr back and added a crazy Argentine by the name of Manu. Bruce went on to make second team all NBA defense and have a virtuoso defensive performance against Kobe Bryant(including one game where he matched Kobe's scoring) and the Spurs went onto win the NBA championship beating the defending champion Lakers in the process.
Since that time Bruce has become an integral part of the soul of the team, routinely guarding the opponents' most dominant perimeter player, regardless of size. And has continued to racked up All NBA defensive awards.
Prior to last years le run, Bruce opted out of his contract at the benefit of the Spurs, taking essnetially a paycut for longer years, and freeing up much needed money to resign Manu and additional players like Brent Barry.
Avery Johnson:
Avery was a ing scrub who couldn't even hold down a 3rd string role on any team...he was passed around the NBA like a 2 dollar , including a season playing for the Rockets which was the only season of Hakeem's career that he was healthy and did not make the playoffs.
No one was trying to sign Avery Johnson and he was lucky to have a freaking job....
The Spurs PG position was in the absolute toilet and basically the Spurs were forced to either resign AJ, or else continue using Vinny Del Negro at point...
David Robinson was able to cover up AJ's total lack of any semblance of an NBA game and AJ finally found a job in the NBA far exceeding his actual ability.
The Spurs gave AJ the best contract he ever had and were the only team to ever consider him for an oncourt job other than ballboy.
AJ never made any ALL NBA teams of any kind and routinely got ing worked by which PG he was guaurding.
He did however lead the David Robinsonless Gregg Popovich coached 96-97 Spurs to the worst record in team history. And Tim Duncan.
But as a player...
About the only guys AJ intimidated were rookies in the shower...
Avery eventually sucked so bad the Spurs had to pulls his worthless butt out of the starting lineup which then lead to one of the whiniest cenceriest incidents in Spurs history...
At the end of that season AJ was again given an important role against the LA Lakers and Avery responded with a buttload of scorless and assistless games and making Derek Fisher look like a Hall of Famer.
AJ then took his worthless ass to ride the bench in Denver leading them to thew worst record in the NBA...many felt he was now holding the Spurs responsible for his total lack of NBA game and ability.
Tim Duncan and David Robinson were seen helping AJ pack his bags and hodling the door open for him as he left town.
After a superb lottery year in Denver...
AJ hit the bigtime again as chief nutrider for the Mavericks before they too realiaed he had absolutely no freaking game and traded his worthless azz.
Since then AJ took the highest paying job he could get against one of the Spurs most notorious enemies and is insidiously now trying use his knowledge gained a trusted member of the team, to his old team out of winning another le in their golden age.
He whines in the media, runs up the score and tries to capitalize on the bad repution Bruce has gained in winning US les, so that he can get that over rated piece of crap Mark Cuban an NBA le.
That's the breakdown given to you as objectively as I possibly can...
You decide...whose jersey would you rather see hanging up there in the rafters.
Last edited by whottt; 05-10-2006 at 05:51 PM.
This needed a new thread why?
Because Whottt's mom didn't give him enough attention as a child.
By the way, to answer the poll ...
BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE!
Bruce Bowen.
Cause if he was the opposing coach, he would NOT run up the score
Steve Javie should have his jersey retired.
So when he walks by, are you gonna pull a Raja Bell's mom, and say "Need a hug?"Because Whottt's mom didn't give him enough attention as a child.
Billy Paultz.
You forgot to add the part about Avery making Bruce stay and scrub the floors while he went off to the ball.
avery has changed, he used to be a fun guy who smiled all the time, now he just seems like a pompus asshole
i bet he votes republican too
alot of that probably has to do with him being a head coach, but as of now, he deserves it more than bowen
I put Bruce even though his number won't be retired. He's not in Gervin's, Elliott's, Robinson's, Silas', Gilmore's, and Moore's class.
Bruce, mosdef. Avery.
Both.
Both AJ and Bruce Bowen set the tone for their respective teams, both typify their eras in Spurs Basketball and championship teams. No, neither was (or will be) an All-Star, but both were crucial in winning championships, and for that they should see their jersey #'s retired.
whottt* gets owned in one poll thread so he has to start another.
Weak.
Avery. Let Bruce start coaching and succeed and we'll poll again.
This poll is to see where Bruce rates VS another fan favorite....
I personally do think Bowen's jersey should be retired. Bruce is in some elite company with his consecutive All NBA Team Awards...
whottt should get his jersey retired for stirring Nbadan out of the political forum to make his annual NBA related post.
No, this is therapeutic. The next poll in the whottt's demons series will have to involve the Coyote.
Frankly, I don't think either of them should have a number retired; in most cities, they wouldn't even be remotely considered for that sort of honor, given their resumes.
But, since the Spurs have significantly reduced the credentials necessary for having a number retired and both seem to have credentials that resemble those of the players already honored, precedent makes it hard to argue against either.
;lmao
Sorry TimVP but that was some funny there...
I'd just like to remind everyone that Bruce Bowen probably reads this forum....I personally think Bruce got hurt feelings at the absolute lack of support from Spursfans when AJ punked him in the media...
Now is your chance to atone for deserting Bruce if you were one of the ones that didn't speak up when the incident initially occurred and left Bruce all alone to get savaged brutally in the media...didi you get Bruce's back? or did you tut tut the incident away?
Or to put it another way...a vote for Bruce is a vote for victory.
It'll be interesting to see who wants an NBA le...and remember...Bruce just might be watching.
Avery? Well he's probably not concerned too much with San Antonio...he's got bigger fish to fry you know.
whottttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt's vbookie?
Hey Bruce: YOU'RE THE MAN!!
F' AJ!
Keep showing them your hands, baby!
thanks
I'd just like to remind everyone that Bruce Bowen probably reads this forum....I personally think Bruce got hurt feelings at the absolute lack of support from Spursfans when AJ punked him in the media...
Now is your chance to atone for deserting Bruce if you were one of the ones that didn't speak up when the incident initially occurred and left Bruce all alone to get savaged brutally in the media...didi you get Bruce's back? or did you tut tut the incident away?
Or to put it another way...a vote for Bruce is a vote for victory.
It'll be interesting to see who wants an NBA le...and remember...Bruce just might be watching.
Avery? Well he's probably not concerned too much with San Antonio...he's got bigger fish to fry you know.
Jeez Whottt...the first post was funny but you just cyber-sucked Bruce's on that one...
I really don't think he could give a rats ass what posters in here think...
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