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Thanks alot Jon.
Let's forget the bogus/inconsistent Stackhouse suspension. Forget the first 4 quarters of the game. Forget the first 3 quarters where the Heat took FOUR times as many free throws as the Mavs (36-9). Forget the 3rd quarter where the Heat got to the line 18 times to 0 for the Mavs. Forget that Wade took as many free throws as the entire Mavs team. Forget that the Heat, as a team, took twice as many free throws as the Mavs (49-25).
Just look at the final play. The game was completely stolen from the Mavs here.
1) On the inbounds, it should have clearly been an over-and-back violation on the Heat. You're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt. But you must establish your position in the backcourt first. Wade did not. Wade jumped from the frontcourt (both feet in the frontcourt) into the backcourt and caught the ball in the MIDDLE of his freakin' jump. That's as easy to call as it gets. As Cuban said, that should be clear, at least to most high school referees. So the Mavs would have gotten the ball there with 9 or so seconds left. Heat would have had to foul. Mavs would have had a 2 or 3 point lead most likely.
2) As three Mavs defenders swarm on Wade on the perimeter, Wade shoves Jason Terry, a straight-arm basically, an obvious offensive foul. But ok, sometimes they don't call contact like that, even if it's obvious, they want the players to decide games.
3) But if that's the case how do you explain the foul on Wade with 1.9 seconds to go? Mavs defended it as perfectly as you can. They had 3-4 defenders on him, he fought his way through them all off-balance, threw up a weak shot off the backboard, Mavs get the rebound. They call a foul on Dirk. Replays showed the only contact from Dirk on Wade was his right hand resting on his back. There wasn't a shove, there wasn't any contact on the arms/hand/wrists, it was a no-call all the way.
4) With 1.9 seconds left, Mavs still have a chance even if Wade makes both. Only way to take away that chance is to take away the Mavs' final TO. Avery signals several times for a TO after the second free throw. Referees know Avery doesn't want a TO now. He's not an idiot. Even if you give the refs the break on this one and put it solely on Josh for signaling for a TO there, the fix was already in with the 3 previous blown calls.
Unbelievable.
NBA should be ashamed of themselves. The Mavs know they outplayed the Heat in that game. They had it flat-out stolen by the refs, no arguing it on this one. They had their chances to win, sure, they missed a shot here and a free throw or two there, but they so clearly outplayed the Heat in the first 4 quarters and then had it ripped away from them on that final play in OT. How can they possibly defend those first 3 calls they missed (the 1st one primarily since that one isn't subjective in the slightest)? There's no possible way it can be justified.
Thanks alot Jon.
Wrong.1) On the inbounds, it should have clearly been an over-and-back violation on the Heat. You're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt. But you must establish your position in the backcourt first. Wade did not. Wade jumped from the frontcourt (both feet in the frontcourt) into the backcourt and caught the ball in the MIDDLE of his freakin' jump. That's as easy to call as it gets. As Cuban said, that should be clear, at least to most high school referees. So the Mavs would have gotten the ball there with 9 or so seconds left. Heat would have had to foul. Mavs would have had a 2 or 3 point lead most likely.
Forward it to Cuban.Frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during (1) a jump ball, (2) a steal by a defensive player, or (3) a throw-in in the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period.
When I troll other boards, I use this name.
This was originally posted this morning
Said the Mavs who's defended the all the bull that went on in the Spurs series.
(That, and most of your points have been refuted elsewhere).
You'll get no sympathy from me. Go write your owner, Cuban, and tell him you liked the way basketball was being played before they started calling bull fouls in the Playoffs.
I thought maybe the mav fans who didnt see this at mavtalk would be interested.
Yeah, I'll overlook the +41 free throw margin for the Heat in Miami.
1. Definitely not worthy of an over and back call.
2. I thought the shove on JET was obvious too, but they're not going to call that.
3. Harris fouled Wade...CLEARLY!!
4. Avery / Howard F'd up
Anybody that believes in these "fixes" or "conspiracy theories" is an F'in MORON...
I know what Avery was calling. The refs probably know what Avery was calling. But unfortunately, Josh Howard ed up. He either didn't realize what Avery was calling (and by the initial look on his face, I don't think he did) or he didn't clearly express that to the refs. He asked for the timeout twice. The refs gave it to him.4) With 1.9 seconds left, Mavs still have a chance even if Wade makes both. Only way to take away that chance is to take away the Mavs' final TO. Avery signals several times for a TO after the second free throw. Referees know Avery doesn't want a TO now. He's not an idiot. Even if you give the refs the break on this one and put it solely on Josh for signaling for a TO there, the fix was already in with the 3 previous blown calls.
Since they all moved here, that's understandable.
The prob would have, it was linked in the Finals thread after all, it wasn't a very nice quote that they used as a lead in though.
I don't get what Mavs fans aren't getting about the over and back rule.
LOOK at what I posted. In the final 2 minutes of the 4th or OT, it doesn't matter where he jumped from. It matters ONLY where he landed with the ball. And that was clearly in the backcourt.
End of frickin' story.
Not according to the NBA rule book. The rules have been changed for the last two minutes of halves and overtimes. A player hasn't established what half of the court he is in until he touches the rock and has both feet down.
For those of us who don't want to see 5 hour games due to a foul called on every single act of contact, that's immaterial.2) As three Mavs defenders swarm on Wade on the perimeter, Wade shoves Jason Terry, a straight-arm basically, an obvious offensive foul. But ok, sometimes they don't call contact like that, even if it's obvious, they want the players to decide games.
Lower body contact and hits on his arm before he went up with the shot. I've seen far less contact put a Mav on the line.3) But if that's the case how do you explain the foul on Wade with 1.9 seconds to go? Mavs defended it as perfectly as you can. They had 3-4 defenders on him, he fought his way through them all off-balance, threw up a weak shot off the backboard, Mavs get the rebound. They call a foul on Dirk. Replays showed the only contact from Dirk on Wade was his right hand resting on his back. There wasn't a shove, there wasn't any contact on the arms/hand/wrists, it was a no-call all the way.
Refs don't read minds. If Howard signalled and told the ref, that's all that is needed.
4) With 1.9 seconds left, Mavs still have a chance even if Wade makes both. Only way to take away that chance is to take away the Mavs' final TO. Avery signals several times for a TO after the second free throw. Referees know Avery doesn't want a TO now. He's not an idiot. Even if you give the refs the break on this one and put it solely on Josh for signaling for a TO there, the fix was already in with the 3 previous blown calls.
Mavs fans should be ashamed of themselves, their coach and their owner. That is all.
Unbelievable.
NBA should be ashamed of themselves. The Mavs know they outplayed the Heat in that game. They had it flat-out stolen by the refs, no arguing it on this one. They had their chances to win, sure, they missed a shot here and a free throw or two there, but they so clearly outplayed the Heat in the first 4 quarters and then had it ripped away from them on that final play in OT. How can they possibly defend those first 3 calls they missed (the 1st one primarily since that one isn't subjective in the slightest)? There's no possible way it can be justified.
And I'll overlook the fact that Dwyane Wade shot 21-25 from the free throw line in game 5, the same 21-25 the entire Dallas Mavericks shot from the free throw line in game five.
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thats true. some players booty holes tighten up in the later stages of the game. No fixes thats what happened to the MAvs. Hopefully we'll take care at home.
Anybody that believes in these "fixes" or "conspiracy theories" is an F'in MORON...
LETS GO MAVS
Dude, the pic you posted doesnt show anything, its not the right angle. All that shows is Harris reaching out toward Wade.1. Definitely not worthy of an over and back call.
2. I thought the shove on JET was obvious too, but they're not going to call that.
3. Harris fouled Wade...CLEARLY!!
4. Avery / Howard F'd up
Anybody that believes in these "fixes" or "conspiracy theories" is an F'in MORON...
Just my observation, but during the 3rd quarter, the Mavs settled for jump shots.
Why has Dirk stopped driving to the basket? He's a great FT shooter, what is he scared of?
You have to give credit to Wade, who wants it more than any other player on the court. And it shows.
So Harris is NOT grabbing Wade's arm?
It's the only picture that IS the right angle that I've seen...
I'll ignore that Dwyane Wade shoots 43 free throws in the two games decided by a total of 3 points, while Dirk only takes 17.
That's cool.
But now go back to Mavtalk and post that you were clearly wrong about point number 1.
Again, Darrin, I didn't see Dirk driving as much as Wade.
p.s. talk about going full circle I linked the picture from a Mavs board where it was posted by a Kings fan and apparently it was originally posted by none other than VF21.
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