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    This is a little old from jan. but says alot


    A new interview by Spanoulis in a Greek newspaper:

    http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=115,id=23616948

    "Things weren't as I expected them in Houston. If I knew that, I would have probably stayed in Europe this year. I was promised a guaranteed playing time, that's how they convinced me to come. The GM of the team was in Athens frequently, they were calling me on the phone every day. So much money, so much attention, so much interest, just for me to play for 1 minute or not at all? Even now, (the administration people) approach me all the time, they tell me they believe in me, they encourage me, they show me that they love me. If they didn't count on me they would just ignore me but they care a lot about me. When I talked to Van Gundy, he told me that the GM chose the players and not him. "I'm just coaching the team" he said. This sounds like a lack of communication between him and the administration, like they're playing ego games. You want to know the craziest thing? If I judge from what the coach asks of me, he doesn't know at all what kind of player I am! He tells me he wants to make me into a "spot shooter". He wants my teammates to create open shots for me. Everyone knows though that my game is based on creation, not execution. I never said I was an authentic shooter. This isn't my strength nor do I enjoy playing like that. This situation irritates me. There has to be a solution but I don't know what it will be.

    Since I'm not enjoying what I'm doing, yes, I might return to Europe. I don't believe the Rockets will let me go so easily though. They wouldn't want to admit that they made a mistake with me. The GM told me that I belong here and that they want to keep me for years. They can't put chains on me though. We're talking about my life and my career. I knew how difficult things were for other great European players, like Jasikevicius, Macijauskas, even for the late Petrovic, but I feel like I was cheated since they promised me that I would have a leading role on the team.

    I don't believe that I had my chance and blew it. My coach praised me everytime I played. From what my teammates told me, never in the past has he been so positive and said so many good words about a "rookie". There's always the possibility that I might leave, it doesn't depend on me but they can't keep me a prisoner here either. Anything is possible, even going to another NBA team. The thought of giving up so soon makes me even more stubborn and willing to try but my main concern is feeling good with myself wherever I am, even if I was on the Moon. I don't want to violate my own values, especially since I feel I was deceived. It doesn't make me feel good.

    I don't regret coming to the NBA. I wouldn't be Vasilis if I hadn't come. I would have it as a repressed desire for the rest of my life. I'm proud to be in the NBA. Now I know how it is. I came and saw it from the inside. In the future I'll be able to judge situations better now that I know first-hand what playing in the NBA means for a player. They say to me that things would be better if I was here in the summer and worked with the team but that was impossible since we had the World Cup.


    I talk often with Panathinaikos people. They call me to learn how I'm doing, to wish me on holidays, that kind of stuff. We are connected by love and there isn't the slightest difference between us. Panathinaikos respected my decision to go to the NBA and didn't try to stop me, so they'll be my first choice if I ever come back. I don't think this will happen now though, in the middle of the year. The GM wouldn't want to lose face by letting me go only after 4 months.

    I never had so much free time to improve my game. I'm spending all my time on the court, so don't worry about the national team, you'll see a Spanoulis who will be even better than last year. I'm working on aspects of the game I wasn't good enough and I'm in the mood for even more work and improvement. I'm on a very good physical condition right now and emotionally I don't have any problems. At this point in my life, only basketball interests me. I don't have any confidence problems. Quite the opposite. I'm just being patient until the better days come.

    I'm an egoist and a stubborn person and I'll fight to the end for any chance I can get. If I was in a different team, I could even have been "rookie of the year". So it's a matter of luck and coincidence as well. It's not right to give up on your ambitions so easily. Even the greatest players in history had difficult moments in their careers."

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    Read this, pretty insightful too

    He didnt get along with JVG.



    Spanoulis struggles with lack of playing time
    Rockets rookie growing impatient with inactivity

    By FRAN BLINEBURY
    Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

    RESOURCES
    James Nielsen: Chronicle
    Vassilis Spanoulis had his best workout against the Warriors last month.
    SPANOULIS' MINUTES
    SEASON HIGHS
    23 vs. Golden State on Dec. 5
    19 vs. LA Lakers on Dec. 23
    17 vs. Washington on Nov. 22
    SEASON LOW
    Zero, many times including the last five games. (Spanoulis has played only a total of two minutes in the 11 games since Dec. 29.)
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    Vassilis Spanoulis was right in the middle of the action that afternoon in Japan last summer, driving the lane, making slick passes, running the pick-and-roll, nailing 3-pointers to help Greece bring down Team USA at the World Basketball Championship.

    Now, on most nights, he loosens up before the national anthem, then sits on the Rockets' bench.

    Spanoulis left Athens and his hometown fans with Panathinaikos to make the step up to the NBA, figuring his emotion, his energy, his overwhelming confidence would carry him straight to the top on the game's biggest stage.

    Spanoulis came to Houston to join Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady and, in his mind, put the Rockets over the top.

    Now Yao is sidelined with a broken leg, and the rookie guard feels like he's hit bottom.

    "I came here to help my team, to put my talent on it and do many things," Spanoulis said. "I am a patient person. But I don't want to stay on the bench for the season. I came here to work hard and to play in the games."

    Spanoulis says he is puzzled why the Rockets drafted him and worked so hard to sign him to a three-year contract in the first place. He believes coach Jeff Van Gundy is trying to change him from a penetrating creator into a spot shooter.

    "It is like asking a doctor to be a lawyer," Spanoulis said, smiling and shaking his head at his own analogy.

    "Maybe they don't know what my strength is. Because every time I play, I don't play to my strength. I was used to playing good defense, pressing all over the court, running on offense, playing a lot of pick-and-rolls and creating. Now they want me to be a spot shooter, and this is a different experience. "

    He was quoted over the weekend in a Greek newspaper as saying: "There's always the possibility that I might leave. It doesn't depend on me, but they can't keep me a prisoner either."

    When asked in the Rockets' locker room, Spanoulis would not go that far.

    "It is far too early to say I want to leave," he said. "But I get a lot of calls. It is hard for me. I have 10 million people in Greece and people all over Europe — they expected me to play and to succeed."

    So, too, do the Rockets, who gave Spanoulis $3.7 million in guaranteed money for this season and next. But their timetable is different. The Rockets see him as someone who will be valuable in the future, and he wants to play right now.

    "This is what I've told him," said Van Gundy. "It is absolute naivete about how hard this league is to think that it's going to be an easy ride for any young player. Especially a young player who is going to a pretty good team with pretty good perimeter players.

    "What Billy's going through is exactly what I expected would happen when I spoke to him over the summer. His response was one that worried me. 'Basketball is basketball.' As I said to him, no, I played basketball. This is a whole different animal."

    Rockets general manager Carroll Dawson likely could trade Spanoulis to a handful of other NBA teams today, but he isn't looking to do that.

    "We like the player we signed," Dawson said. "But there's a process you go through. (Dirk) Nowitzki had to go through it. Look at guys like (Toronto's Jose) Calderon, (Orlando's Carlos) Arroyo. Even the late Drazen Petrovic, who they all look up to. It took him four years to make an impact. We want this kid here."

    Spanoulis has averaged just 10 minutes in 18 of the Rockets' first 41 games. He's shooting 31.1 percent and has 20 assists and 18 turnovers. He has been out of the regular rotation since Dec. 14, when he shot 0-for-5 in 17 minutes at Golden State.

    "I work to get better," he said. "But how do I get better if I do not play? I know I can play. I know what I can do. I can make great things here."

    Van Gundy nods his head.

    "(Spanoulis) says, 'I was McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," Van Gundy said.

    "I feel badly for him. He feels he was misled. Frankly, he's been his own worst enemy in many ways. Some of it is excuses. His turnovers have been high; his fouls have been high; his shooting percentage has been low. I would rather anybody start out with self-evaluation — what can I do better? — versus lash out and blame.


    "Because I'm not playing him now doesn't mean he won't play in the future or we don't feel he could be a good player. I think he's allowed his disappointment to go to discouragement, which has, at times, stunted his improvement. We'll see. We'll see."

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    him comparin himself to tmac?

    prime or broke back tmac > yawho?

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    A PG has to have a huge ego...if you don't think Tony has one...you are wrong.



    Secondly...I was reading the Wiki article...

    Check this out...where the bad blood started:

    This meant that Spanoulis essentially agreed to play for Houston at a price of $1,944,000 per season for 3 years, passing up on Panathinaikos's offer of $3,300,000 per season over 5 years,


    This dude turned down some serious freaking Euro jack to play in the NBA. 6 million vs 15 million...


    just for a chance of playing in the NBA. Eventually, there was a falling out between Spanoulis and the team's coach Van Gundy, after Van Gundy benched Spanoulis after he played very poorly, citing that rookie players are dangerous for coaches that are in contract years


    I'm sorry but that's an asshole comment by JVG...and it's not the first one he's made...hanging his career failure on a rookie...

    Man up.

    I'm not calling this kid Vaginis anymore...

    Dude gives up 9 mil to be in the NBA....



    and that Spanoulis was too foul prone and lacking in outside shooting touch to be a good fit in Van Gundy's offensive system.


    You know what...every one says he's 6'3 shooting guard that can't shoot...



    You know what the means he is?

    Tony ing Parker part 2....with Manu's creativity.

    A traditional PG sucks on our team because all Pop wants them to do is slash to the basket...that's why every PG on the roster does it.

    But a slashing shooting guard? The perfect PG for this team.


    The Spurs were high on this dude..timvp and AHF were high on this dude.

    The article you posted said the execs were all in love with him...


    I wonder if one of those execs just happened to be Lindsey...and I wonder if that wasn't part of the reason the Spurs hired Lindsey in the first place.



    There's more here than meets the eye...


    And the best thing about this kid having a huge ego and mark for the NBA?


    It's going to be irresistable for him to refuse the call of the NBA champs....

    It got to stroke this kids ego and the chance of showing Van Gundy up has got to be irresistable to him.

    On top of that...the Spurs have the type of international roster this kid is used too...all the damn guys on it played in Europe and for those same teams he played on.


    The kid talks unusual for to us...but he's Greek...they are emotional like that.



    To me it is not out of hte realm of possibility that the Spurs wanted this dude all along.

    I know they want to move Beno and Barry...and I know the reason they didn't was because they didn't have a PG...and they still don't.

    I do not think the Spurs are satisfied with Vaughn as their back up...and Beno is long since done in SA.

    IF the Spurs want this guy...I think can get him...


    And if they get him...and Udoka...guess what? Brent and Beno are gone...and they save even more money in the process....not to mention whatever they can get for Beno and Barry.



    I just don't think this offseason is over and I don't see how anyone can draw that conclusion...

    Whether the Spurs are being cheap..or whether they are trying to improve...the path is the same....more is going to be done.




    Hmmm...


    What made him tradeable was the fact that he said he didn't want to play in the NBA anymore period...

    I wonder if that happened before or after Lindsey was hired by the Spurs...

    Interesting..indeed.


    One thing is for sure...the way the Rockets didn't want to lose this kid, even with him saying he wasn't going to play for the Rockets anymore...it was getting him out of them...he must have some serious game.






    All this of course ignores the fact that he says he wants guranteed pt...that's a problem. He's a lot like Scola....he's just not our Scola...he's the Rockets Scola. Nontheless...we need a back up PG more than we need Scola.
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    JVG broke him.
    I think he'd be a perfect backup, but I doubt he'll stay in the U.S.

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    whott nice post. i liked it.

    Yea, my feelings for the dude have changed.

    He NEVER complained about MONEY it was about playing basketball.

    you gotta respect that.

    he wants to play and Win.

    period.

    Ill take him on my team anyday.

    except Ill take Scola first and then him.

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    Something else is interesting too...

    I read that San has already gone gack to Georgia...


    Isn't it ing weird how all the Spurs top prospects are suddenly invisible?

    White...Ian..San .

    It's almost like...thes Spurs don't want anyone asking for them.


    I mean they couldn't hide Sanikidze fast enough and he's already out of the country. They brought him here and didn't play him...


    And that kid looked ing good...if you ask me, he was the best looking player on the Summer League team.


    It's like...they got something working...and they don't want anyone holding out for their top guys.

    The only one that is exposed is Williams....who sucks.


    And he's being featured...just like Jackie was.

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    like Robertas Javtokas , he is also really good but hidden.

    I dont understand the drafting of the kid from arizona at all. I wish we got Glen Davis or someone else.

    I saw that kid play UCLA alot and he was just average for college IMO.

    I think james White is going to be a very good player but the spurs have little room and little PT for people like him to develop.

    I wish EVERY TEAM had a TRIPLE AAA, that each team owns and can put 12 people in that roster and not count agaisnt your salary cap.

    Its all backwards. really.

    NBA needs a true minor league system at least 1 level , a triple aaa and all 12 players belong to that team.

    Granted u cant pay millions but u can then keep james white there for a year, send down beno udrich a couple of times if u like to work on his game.

    J. Williams would be starting PG for the Toros and he could develop. Sandiske too. Robertas Javtokas too.

    Know what we have.

    I guess thats where the Euroleagues come in and where they can pay more$$$$. but

    a triple aaa system in cities where it can support the fan base is something long over due.

    NBDL is great and slowly getting there but its still stubbornly applying rules that just hurt it, i.e. salary cap counts agaisnt your team, etc.

    I sent Stern a letter like 2 years ago with a detail minor league plan for NBDL and then this past year we saw the expansion from just the eastern area, NC area to a much wider appeal. NO it wasnt because of my stupid letter of course, but at least I got a letter back from them saying, keep spending money at the games. thanks. lol

    to me, its like they got some interns and C crew running the NBDL operations because the bread and butter is the NBA. OF COURSE.

    I bet though, that each team if told, they can own and operate their own triple AAA, would so so if they can develop and keep at 12 players.

    This shared system of 3 teams sharing one NBDL is stupid.

    You cant teach your system , say Seattle cant go in there and teach their offense with Durant , etc.

    Its just for them to play ball and put up stats, no true help for the NBA team.

    Spurs did great buying the Toros. I think Pop saw the true value of doing this.

    And of course, NOW every team will follow and buy their own NBDL team and we will see a true MINOR LEAGUE system in say, 2-3 years.

    other teams copy the spurs all the time and their moves.
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    I wonder if the Spurs already wrote off Spanoulis, or if they are trying to convince him to come back. Did Spanoulis or his agent already make a official annoucement about his future?

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    I wonder if the Spurs already wrote off Spanoulis, or if they are trying to convince him to come back. Did Spanoulis or his agent already make a official annoucement about his future?
    I think 99.9 percent he is not coming to the USA to play at least for a year or two.

    The only way he will come and I think its a long shot is if Pop directly calls Spino and tells him.

    But Pop wont promise him PT just like JVG. But I think Pop will be a better teacher for him than JVG.

    Even with Pop calling , its still 001. percent he will come.

    I think he knows he burned some bridges even if only in Houston.

    But I dont think he got a good shake from JVG.

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    I also don't expect him to suit up but I wonder why there has been no official statement yet.

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    I wonder if the Spurs already wrote off Spanoulis, or if they are trying to convince him to come back. Did Spanoulis or his agent already make a official annoucement about his future?

    Nope...not yet. And that's interesting too...AFAIK. Would the Spurs even make an official announcement over something like this?

    You are German streaky..closer to Europe than we are...is there anything on the Euroleague sites?

    I am sure the first thing we will hear is that Pathanikos is going to sign him.


    Then again...today might be the day they buy him off.


    I can see a lot of primadonnish qualities in this kid that will turn the Spurs off...and me. At the same time...if he's talented enough, the Spurs will kiss his butt to get him here to get a better look at him.

    I've seen the Spurs and Pop...kiss butt like there's no tomorrow to get talent here...that's where Pop is different from guys like Van Gundy...he's been a GM, so he's done the schmoozing part...I mean Pop spent the first 3 years of Duncan's career kissing Duncan's butt like it was Marilyn Monroe.

    Pop is able to pull off the hardazz thing because he suceeds in getting the players to believe he truly cares about him.


    ...and he knows how to be a hardazz without alienating the players in the process.

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    I wonder if the Spurs already wrote off Spanoulis, or if they are trying to convince him to come back. Did Spanoulis or his agent already make a official annoucement about his future?
    This situation is made more interesting by the fact that the Spurs are apparently still looking to add pieces to this roster. If the purpose had been to dump salary, I don't think that'd be the case.

    I think in regards to Spanoulis it's a no-lose situation. If the Spurs convince him to come back over, they ditch Beno's contract and essentially backfill him with an upgrade in Spanoulis. If they can't convince him to come over that's cap space for the future.

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    If this kid is so talented though...wouldn't it be pretty stupid on the part of the Spurs to not at least try to get him to sign?

    And all this stuff about him not wanting to play in America is BS...that wasn't what he was saying at first....his problems were 100% with the Rockets. And he gave up 9 million dollars to be in the NBA...how could that kind of dream die so easily?


    Scola said similar stuff about being happy to stay with Tau and not caring about the NBA...

    Plus he's greek so a lot of his statements sound exaggerated to us.

    I just don't know...

    I just think the Spurs would be stupid to throw away a talented PG without at least trying to sign him...if he's this good. So good that the Rockets fired Van Gundy and hired an uptempo coach, that plays his style of basketball, to tempt him to return? Perhaps?

    So good that the Spurs hired a FO executive just for the purpose of increasing their chances of aquiring and signing him?

    Talent is scarce...I wouldn't put anything past the Spurs...

    They just bought a damn d-league team....for someone.

    A PG to gurantee pt to maybe?

    What would the Spurs be willing to do to get a second Manu?





    I mean if Greg Oden said he didn't want to play in the NBA would the Spurs just say feh...buy him off and take the money.... no.

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    Great thread, fellas.

    Pop went to Slovenia to woo Rasho, but that was for a starting centre not a guy who could be anything from backup PG to behind Brent Barry in the rotation.

    Pity it seems he'll stay in Europe, because I'd like to see what he has to offer our team, but there was all sorts of money in the trade to buy him out so I guess if he'll ever come back to the NBA it will be in a few seasons.
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    Great thread, fellas.

    Pop went to Slovenia to woo Rasho, but that was for a starting centre not a guy who could be anything from backup PG to behind Brent Barry in the rotation.

    Pity it seems he'll stay in Europe, because I'd like to see what he has to offer our team, but there was all sorts of money in the trade to buy him out so I guess if he'll ever come back to the NBA it will be in a few seasons.

    How often to backup PG's get 15 million dollar contracts in Europe?


    And last I checked...the Greeks just kicked every team in the World's butt in WC's...was this kid part of the reason? Was he the reason?


    I already know Diamantos is a bad azz...

    Although it does seem like the Greeks are kind of difficult to actually get out of Greece...

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    @whottt: There has been absolutly nothing on Euro Sites.(Besides the regular trade announcement). No word on his future yet. Maybe it was because it was weekend an nobody was available. There are a few greek posters in a german forum that think Spanoulis could consider playing for the Spurs but I doubt they are insiders. I think we gonna hear somthing within the next few days.

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    The Spurs aren't in a position to just let Manu Parker type talent slip through their fingers.....

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    I also particularly agree that the NBA needs a true AAA system. I think it would benefit the league too, adding another level of depth to keep fans interested. For example, the draft could be expanded and a lot more College players given an opportunity to develop in a AAA league that paid players a living wage, bringing with them the attention of some College basketball fans who follow marginal players that don't make the NBA. It would also improve the quality of American basketball by allowing more players to develop in strongly structured environments, allowing diamonds in the rough or late developers to emerge.

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    Well he's obviously got a huge ego...it's got to be tempting to him.


    And the Spurs are the international franchise in the NBA...with lots of happy players that played in Europe and understand the culture. And Pop understands it too...


    Parker
    Manu
    Oberto
    Bonner
    Bowen
    Elson

    I am sure we had some other guys play in Europe I just can't think of right now.

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    The Spurs aren't in a position to just let Manu Parker type talent slip through their fingers.....
    Let's not overblow him, but you're absolutely right. They should make every effort to convince him to stay and give him a year in our system. If it's not working out for either party they can reach a buyout later.

    His potential is intriguing... never enough good slasher types on a team, and we could do with another to put next to Tony and Manu given that Fin and Barry are spot-up shooters and Bowen travels every second time he puts it on the floor going to the hole! Still love ya Bruce!

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    Something else to think about...

    The Spurs do play uptempo...

    Van Gundy had the ugliest offense in the NBA...and with Yao...there is no way that team was ever going to be uptempo with Yao on it...even if Van Gundy left...and I been saying this to people as well about the problems the Rockets are going to have fitting Adelman, Yao and Scola together.

    Adelman does like to have his bigmen run the offense in the half court...but he also likes to run...and you just can't do that with Yao. I don't care what you do...it aint happening.

    Contrary to what BSPN says..the Spurs have arguably the best uptempo guard tandem in the NBA, eh probably second after Barbosa and Nash...but anyone that knows basketball knows they can play uptempo...it's just the idiots here that don't realize it.

    It's possible this kid did not want to play with Yao...and Yao is the keystone of the Rockets...for better or for worse.

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    One thing is for sure, the trade would make more sense if Spanoulis came over. Like timvp pointed out: as it looks right now the trade is hard to rationalize assuming Spanoulis does not come over. They would have dumped a lot more salary by trading Barry/Beno. It will be interesting how this thing turns out.

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    If I was the Spurs the guys I would have talking to him are Manu and Parker...they all speak the same basketball language.

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    if anyone had a right to talk like that it would be manu.....and he never has.

    this dude is a loser.

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