http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=5574
Individual defense is one of the toughest things to quantify in the NBA because so much of what goes into defensive performance is not captured by the league's official statistics. This study will introduce one way to rate the effectiveness of individual defenders and rank the best at each position.
To accomplish this, we surprisingly need only one metric: John Hollinger's PER, or Player Efficiency Rating. The PER takes all measurable NBA statistics, weights each category, and runs all the numbers through a complex formula to come up with a value that represents a player's overall contribution to his team.
Every player in the NBA has his own PER, which indicates the damage he does to his opponents. Thanks to some fine work that has been done at 82games.com, we can also gauge how well guys limit the damage done by the player they are matched up against from game-to-game.
The methodology for this is inexact, but gives us a solid idea of how players perform defensively. When you compile the results of this over an entire season, you get a good indication of which players are performing well on defense, and which ones are not.
Using raw opponent PER numbers to create league-wide rankings would not yield a completely accurate picture, since each position on the floor has its own standard of what would be considered good offense/defense (an "average" point guard may have a different PER than an "average" center, for example).
So, this list will be broken down by position. The primary position each player plays has been determined by using stats kept at 82games.com; the position each player spent the most time playing last season is considered his primary spot in the lineup.
In order to qualify for these rankings, a player had to play in at least 30 percent of his team's minutes last year (an average of at least 14 minutes per game).
Let's take a look at who shined in 2006-07 when it came to clamping down on their "opposite number":
Shooting Guards
1. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs
Opponent PER: 11.7
2. Keyon Dooling, Orlando Magic
Opponent PER: 12.0
3. Tracy McGrady, Houston Rockets
Opponent PER: 12.2
4. Ben Gordon, Chicago Bulls
Opponent PER: 12.2
5. Jamal Crawford, New York Knicks
Opponent PER: 12.5
These stats are obvious crap if Dirk and Ginobili are at the top of their lists, and Parker is second on the PG list.
Not to mention that Bowen isn't even on the list.
If your entire team defense is great, then it is going to boost your own individual defensive stats as well. Doesn't mean you are a great defender.
Stats sucks! especially when they don't agree with your reasoning.
Dirk won regular season MVP because he is a maverick, and Parker won final MVP because he is a spur. What's wrong with that?
Manu's taking the credit for some of Bowens work in this analysis
I think when calculating it they just use the other teams sg's rather then who Manu actually played on
Top 5 sg defenders
1. Kobe
2. Raja
3. Wade
4. Manu
5. TMac
Why don't say Bowen's reputation is taking the credit for some of Manu's work?
Moreover, why don't say Duncan and Parker's MVP is taking the credit for some of Manu's work?
Hasn't this topic been debated already?
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74708
Hey Manu's a good defender dont get me wrong but he's not the best at his position
In our system lesser rated guys like Iggy would be rated as a top 5 IMO
yeap, I agree Bruce needs a marketing advisor in that area.
Manu is a good defender but you just have to read this to understand that this ranking is bull .
...Power Forwards
1. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
Opponent PER: 13.1
2. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves
Opponent PER: 13.4
3. Elton Brand, Los Angeles Clippers
Opponent PER: 13.9
4. Jorge Garbajosa, Toronto Raptors
Opponent PER: 14.7
5. Darko Milicic, Orlando Magic
Opponent PER: 14.9
Once looked upon as a shooter who couldn't play defense, Dirk has certainly worked to improve that area of his game, ranking number one among power forwards last season. Now that Darko has gotten more NBA playing time, he's showing he can play some defense, and it's nice to see an "under the radar" player like Garbajosa get some ink.
Or all your measurement of individual defense is not correct
Because we actually watched the games.
Manu is a top 5 defender among SG. that's all we need to know
I think you should use 'I' rather than 'we'!
Do you think you can respresent all spurs' fans?
The Royal We Man!
Since you have elected not to read a thread you started yourself, perhaps I could recap. Aside from what I had in mind, the thread also included ceds response
To which you responded:
So two person would contribute to a "we".
Then also, there are these comments:
BTW, my universe is more than just Spurs fans, I also consider other people as a general term "we" if that party and I are on the same side of the argument.
You are a very interesting person! I want to buy you a drink.
Of course, a big reason for it is because Manu is a spur, and spurs is a championship team. As championship team player, they benefit each other. Actually, in all lists, championship team players are ranked at high positions.
I believe Manu is well deserved it, just the same as Duncan and Parker's MVP!
as far as efficiency, i'd think manu would suffer a bit due to his habit of gambling everynow and then... although he's reigned that in quite a bit.
The formula assumes that Manu is guarding the opponents shooting guard, right?
When actuality, he's oftentimes not - Bowen is. This is a completely useless thing to me.
Manu did not need to guard anyone? I remember in this year's finals, Bowen guard James. Is James a shooting guard?
BTW, I think Bowen is not in the list because he is offensively limited. This list is about 'efficient'.
Last edited by meta2007; 10-09-2007 at 12:32 PM.
No, Manu does not guard the best shooting guards in the league.
But he does guard someone!
BTW,I think many team use sf to guard shooting guard in certain situations. Spurs is not the only team. So, I think it is fair for Manu to be no.1 in this shooting guard list.
Umm.. yes, but this formula compares Manu's PER to the opponent's shooting guards PER. This is why it is flawed and doesn't tell you anything that mean anything. Because when the shooting guards are good, Manu doesn't guard them.
You can praise Manu's defense if you want. But he's not one of the top one-on-one defenders in the league. And he doesn't guard the best shooting guards in the league. It's a very flawed formula.
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