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03-04 Mvp?
I actually like that...
The dominant 2002-2003 MVP used to hit that jumper with regularity and actually won several games at the buzzer in that season...
I think he is working on it so come playoff time will be a recovered part of his arsenal...
What y'all think?
Last edited by urunobili; 01-05-2008 at 10:31 PM.
03-04 Mvp?
i love it. as longtime duncan observers know, his jumper sets up the drive. triple-threat!!!
He's just shooting some shots to me
Duncan's regular season MVP's were in the 2001-2002 and 2002-2003 seasons.
His Finals MVP's were in 1999, 2003, and 2005.
sorry guys... i dunno what i was thinking i was referring to the 03 championship campaign...
It's okay.sorry guys... i dunno what i was thinking i was referring to the 03 championship campaign...
The man has so much hardware it's hard to keep track of it all.
Looking at his shooting chart, here:
http://icq.nba.com/hotspots/
you don't want Tim doing anything except shooting close to the basketball, or from the right high post. And if you check out 2006-7, it is the same!
Tim's jumper is not what it used to be, far more streaky. I think that has to do with his legs which don't have much lift any more..
Stick to drop-steps, spins, hooks and the odd banker, I say... oh, and bring back your left hand, please.
How about some more dunks!
Eh, 2 pts is 2 pts.
I haven't seen you attempting shots so I can't really compare you with Duncan.
face up spin moves from 12 feet please.
You obviously never played the post. Spin moves are impossible face-up, you have to have your back to the basket.
I am a back-to-the-basket centre with good footwork derived from mimicing Hakeem and Tim, I know these things.
i think you are smart enough to realize that "is it me" reefers to my opinion...
Just playin' with you. Moving "is" in front of "Duncan" would give me less of a opportunity to play around with the words.
Gee, don't tell Parker he can't do a spin move facing a guy.
Tuffer for big guys to do a 360 spin facing a guy, easier to do a 180 with the guy on your back...but, impossible? Uh, I don't think so.
Timmy often faces up guys with a dribble. You don't have to have a guy on your back to play post, or to spin around them. If a big guy can dribble, he can do a 360 spin around someone in the post area.
Still, it's prolly something most big guys can't do, and more fundamental for them to try it with a guy on their back.
Oh yea, and it does seem like Duncan is trying to get the bank back in the bank. Mebbe it was just because that Knicks center was 10,000 lbs and he couldn't move him. Still, it's a great shot to have against 10,000 lb guys you can't move
Last edited by SouthernFried; 01-05-2008 at 11:47 PM.
I think the Spurs took way too many jump shots in this past game against the Knicks. They need to attack the basket with more regularity. Tony needs to use his speed to get to the basket and get a few more and 1's. I was screaming at the tv all night for them to attack the basket. The Spurs should have blown the Knicks away but nearly lost to them in the last few minutes of the game. It was mind numbing.
I was angered somewhat when Duncan wouldn't drive it in, but Tony was sick and was tired so I don't blame him.
I simply want Duncan to do two things:
Stop bringing the ball down to his waist and allowing smaller guys to swipe at it
Stop clumsily dribbling across the lane and throwing up that off-balance, one-handed, fall away.
This was a big problem Duncan had early in his career, he would always swing it down low and get it poked away. Sometimes he falls into a period where he does it regularly again (like now). I don't know if it's when he loses focus, is tired, or what, but it's very frustrating to watch. When he was younger, I used to always yell at the screen about it.
I also did not like when they would walk the ball back up court. No running at all.
The Knicks had like 35 points in the paint compared to the Spurs 6 or 7 points in the paint. It was terrible to watch. At least we still won, barely. Against one of the worst teams in the league. The most exciting part was when Horry passed the ball up court to a wide open Finley for a lay in. Michael Finley has been kicking ass! One of the only bright spots lately. I can't wait for Manu and Barry to come back from injury.
Yeah, we're in that either-layup-or-3-pointer period of previous Spurs teams again. No middle game, cuz everyone's standing around the 3 point line waiting for Parker to drive it for a layup, or dish it to them for a 3 pointer.
I really dislike that type of game. Parker must be thinking..."christ guys, do something...don't make me drive it every ing time."
Nobody but Finley has any type of middle game. Manu will be a big help for Tony, giving them someone else who actually drive the ball to the hoop and lay it up or dish it. Another Playmaker, cuz Vaughn aint one. Barry should help some with this too.
It'll come together.
Admittedly, Tony and other guards do have a 360-spin move when at pace, and occasionally Tim breaks one out from the left 45 if his guy lays way off him, but most of his spin moves are 180 or 270 degrees going baseline. Very few post players use a 360 spin because it's something you can really only do while moving forward at speed. I should have been more specific, but since this thread is about Tim I wasn't really considering guards in what I wrote.Gee, don't tell Parker he can't do a spin move facing a guy.
Tuffer for big guys to do a 360 spin facing a guy, easier to do a 180 with the guy on your back...but, impossible? Uh, I don't think so.
Timmy often faces up guys with a dribble. You don't have to have a guy on your back to play post, or to spin around them. If a big guy can dribble, he can do a 360 spin around someone in the post area.
Still, it's prolly something most big guys can't do, and more fundamental for them to try it with a guy on their back.
Oh yea, and it does seem like Duncan is trying to get the bank back in the bank. Mebbe it was just because that Knicks center was 10,000 lbs and he couldn't move him. Still, it's a great shot to have against 10,000 lb guys you can't move
you're an idiot. does a 12 foot face up look like anything done at the low post? haven't you seen a duncan spin move facing the basket? go see one. you'd love it. actually, looks more like from 15 feet. he usually dribbles between his legs when setting that move up. last time i saw it was either in november or early december this season.
its an old example but it will do for the purposes of this demonstration.
"spin move facing up 14 feet away from the rim" at the 1:09 mark. watch the dribbling skills.
and haters say he's boring. sheesh.
Last edited by m33p0; 01-06-2008 at 04:48 AM.
Read the post directly above yours.
As for the low post area, I'd consider that it ranges out to about 12 ft. Depending on who is on you, and thus the way you want to play them, as a low post player you may want deep or mid position, but I still consider both the post. 15ft is no longer the post (or straight out it's the high post).
I know the move, he used to pull it out all the time when he had his athleticism, but he hardly ever breaks it out now because: a) his defender has to be slower than him for it to work, and, b) Tim's quickness is sadly largely gone.
So calling for him to go back to it is unadvisable. He gets away with it once in a while, but it'll never be a go to move for him again.
In no way am I a Tim hater, and don't call me an idiot so quickly next time. I wish Tim's game was as beautiful as it once was, but he gets it done in a much more grounded fashion these days. His jumper is streaky, so I hate to see him rely on it, but he will do moreso as he ages.
As I said nearer the top of the thread, I just wish he'd bring back his left hand as it would stop him missing so many layups and putbacks on the left block, and getting blocked on his hook drive into the middle from the right post (that should be a left baby hook, and he used to have one).
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 01-06-2008 at 05:57 AM.
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