Reply With QuoteKenny Anderson sucks, I'd much rather have a young player with talent sit on the IR. If worse comes to worse we can always go out and get a FA pg in the season if parker should choke on his own foot. Thats his biggest risk for an injury right now.
Hear me out peeps.
I think lots of people had there own Idea for how this summer shoulda gone.
But I think according to senor CIA, it went TOTALLY to plan.
Hear me out.
Pop IMO I dont think, believes in the TWO star system.
His past coaching proves it. David when Duncan came took a lesser role, but pop lessened it more and more every year, till he became a tall block Bruce Bowen.
SO he goes into this summer to get, heres the key word childwen, COMP players (short for complimentary).
You may say whoa whoa whoa. Kidd is a second star.
IS HE?? THink about it, whats he do, doesnt shoot, he PASSES, runs the BREAK, sets up other players.
His a big ass comp player.
PJ Brown, comp playa.
Nesterovic, big ass comp playa.
Turk and Ronny, comp and comp.
Pop is believeing IMO in the Bulls system.
One big ass star, 11 complimentary players that fit and comoplimetn that one big star PERFECTLY, and thats how you win.
Lakers won BY, Shaq being the star and Kobe complimenting him.
We won last year by, Duncan dominating, and Jack, Parker, speedy, and others COMPLIMENTING Duncan.
THis summer was all about upgrading the team and popdamn sure they did.
But it wasnt all about a SECOND star. It was about upgrading the system meaning, upgrading the comp players.
Its not that we failed this summer, but if your lookin through Pop's CIA brain? This summer was a blockbusta.
If they sign Kenny Anderson??? The pop vision continues.
Bash away......
Kenny Anderson sucks, I'd much rather have a young player with talent sit on the IR. If worse comes to worse we can always go out and get a FA pg in the season if parker should choke on his own foot. Thats his biggest risk for an injury right now.
The Spurs have added more skilled offensive players to this team. I'm glad to see that for Duncan's sake. We'll have to see if Parker or Turkoglu can develop into that second scorer.
The Spurs can field a team of Parker/Manu/Turkoglu/TD/Nesterovic with all 4 of TD's teammates on the floor being guys who can shoot, drive, and pass. That is going to help this team put points on the board.
I do think the Spurs certainly wanted to improve the offense long term. This Euro-style offense should help free things up for TD.
I think you're onto something here, T Park. It makes a lot of sense given Pop's history. He certainly seemed to dismiss the idea of David and Tim being co-stars, and that was when David was an All-Star and 20/10 guy. I am interested to hear what others here think as well.
I totally disagree with you about Kenny Anderson, Manny. The dude can play. I take it you didn't see him play much when he was at Georgia Tech and with New Jersey early in his career. He is arguably as good as Parker is now, if you ask me. That would be a huge coup if we could sign him as our backup point guard.
The fact that you would rather have a scrub on the IR instead speaks volumes about your basketball knowledge.
Did I ever mention I hate phrases "star" and "super star".
I think this crap started in Hollywood with Shaq's lame music and movies and it's infected all forms of media.
The phrases are so closely related to the media and everything that's bad with the game.
"Oh the Lakers are unbeatable because they have two SUPER STARS !"
"GRAAAAAH...Fv<k OFF!!"
"Tony's not a Super Star get Kidd!"
"GRAAAAAH...Fv<k OFF!!"
"Oh the Lakers are unbeatable because they have four SUPER STARS !"
"GRAAAAAH...Fv<k OFF!!"
"Lebron James is a rising Super Star!"
"GRAAAAAH...Fv<k OFF!!"
"Super Star" is a dumb and ignorant phrase to define players!
It's like all dumb and ignorant phrases such as Cracker, and Nig.. well you know.
It's usually used to hide a lack of knowledge or effort to characterize a person.
Used and thrown away like so much tissue and why not it's cheap!
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I'm sorry ...
I'll calm down now...
This isn't a dig on anyone here ...
go back to talking about the summer plan
So how about Hedo he has a lot of potential!
I like the way the summer ended, but I don't think this is what they planned on going into it.
Kidd
O'Neal
Brand
Brown
Malone
You can make a case for each of those players being higher on the wish list than the players the Spurs ended up with.
But sometimes things turn out for the better. I think the Spurs are happy with Rasho, Hedo and Horry. Those are three solid players who they've wanted at varying degrees. Now added potential role players in Mercer and whoever they get for a backup PG and this could be a success.
So no one believes that pop DOESNT believe in the two star system.
Him not adding a star with a trade and not adding a star this summer, proves to me he believes in the one star system.
How do you guys think he doesnt???
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First off I disagree with the assumption that this summer "went as planned" or it "did not go as planned." Sure the Spurs had a strategy when they entered this summer to pursue selected free agents. But to imply that they expected to sign a Kidd, JO'Neal, or Brand is incorrect. The front office is not run by messageboard bull ters who are jonesing for "ballas", they know that there are no guarantees in reality. If a star free agent had decided to sign with them then they would've taken that and then made moves based on that player joining the team. I'm not going to believe some crack induced conspiracy theory that had the Spurs pursuing Kidd just to provide cover for other moves or keep the Spurs on the down low this summer.
The expectation this summer was that they would be able to shape this team around Duncan in light of DRob's retirement. That is what is happening. They went after the best talent available. When that didn't materialize they adjusted accordingly. So far I haven't seen they make a mistake in what they have signed the players they have for nor in the trade of friggin' cap space (aka Danny Ferry) for Turkoglu. I think the major problem is that fans expected them to sign a second franchise player. That isn't easy but at least they had the ability and the nuts to make a run. Now we see that they were able to add talent and retain the flexibility to keep this team intact next year. What happens with Jack remains to be seen but I would expect him back unless someone (ie Denver) gives him a ridiculous offer.
They didn't even have to give up draft picks (especially the Suns & Grizz picks) in that trade for Turkoglu. Good stuff.
If Spurs fans want to about a NBA front office go unload on the Knicks, Warriors, or Pacers.
the summer went according to plan, huh? you're out of your mind... first of all, the number of quality "second stars" that were out there to be had numbered 2. just 2. we courted one and the other chose to not even visit...
any trades that did or didn't happen to acquire a "second star" (if you can call spree or etc a star?) were hampered by the fact that we had so few people under contract in the first place... and out of that bunch... no one with enormous trade value or that we could afford to part with...
in the end i think we made the deals that were left to us... and they didn't come out so bad. but when you go after pj brown before rasho... and you get rasho. or when you go after kidd... and get a kick in the pants and alonzo waving his kidney at you... it didn't go "as planned"
but we ended up with a deep team. i think they did a good job of that... the only thing that will hurt is that we still dont have a quality second scorer. parker will never be allowed to truly grow as a point guard if he's just seen as a "scoring point" etc... and he's going to have to (again)
Yeah, T Park... Holt-ing out for Rasho and Hedo was all a part of Pop's two-year master plan.
I guess if you post anything favoring the Spurs, it will be applauded by dopes around here.
While I think we had a relatively successful offeason, I think its just delusional to think that it went according to plan.
Get TPark some meds.
Some really good points fellas. What people have to understand is that San Antonio has a proven "blueprint" in place. That's not to say they would not or could not change some things if they add different pieces. Pop came in with a certain philosophy on how he wanted to run the "entire" organization. It took a while to implement it but over time you see very clear that he believes in hard work and team at ude. He's also proven that anyone who deviates from this path wil not be tolerated. Now, every organization or GM would tell you they believe the same thing but do they? Actions speak louder than words.
Some examples would be Pop's emphasis on character in each player and guys who have proven worthy of a second chance. Guys like Bowen and Jack were battle tested all over the world. They suffered in different leagues and were hungry to prove the world wrong. Now, Jack has always concerned me because he shows some real concerning traits in his behavior. He also shows a willingness to work and get better too though. This for any coach is tough to judge. It's okay to have one guy like this on a team but two or three and it can be serious. I like Jack and think he can develop even more. But to give him a long-term contract with big money would be a mistake in my opinion.
So this leads me to my point. Much like having a defensive or offensive strategy you must have the same in the front office. Add to that they have won two world les and it validates this philosophy. Jermaine O'neal (my first choice) Elton Brand and J-Kidd would have been awesome additions to the organization. Kidd had the episode with his wife but I think he was the third best player available for this team behind O'neal and Brand. To give one of these guys "max" money would have been appropriate but to over pay anyone else outside these three would have been catastrophic.
I like to use the word "saturate" when people ask me how I try to build teams. I try to saturate all of my teams with leadership, toughness, and compe ors who show a willingness to sacrifice for the team. I also try to saturate each position with talented yet intelligent inidividuals who can adapt. Character, is the primary component in this and in my opinion you do not stray from this path especially in the pros when you are talking about a city which is dependent on you being winners.
The big three were not possible so the Spurs added a seven footer with length who improves every year. He is humble (to a fault at times) yet he will work and strive to get better while staying in the "team concept" and never stray from the path. Kandi was a risk not worth taking and Miller does not have the length. Seven footers don't come cheap however Rasho was a bargain at his price. I realize Kandi settled for much less in Minny but he is a cancer that at some point won't even justify the money they will be paying him.
Horry is a "champion" who was a luxury addition in my mind. Did not have to have him but sure is nice now that we do. This guy was the "glue" in LA and for every Shaq dunk and Kobe three this guy was worth even more for the psyche of that team.
Hedo and Ron will be reborn in SA and as excited as I am about Hedo I really think Ron can become a steal for this team. They will work and will benefit from this staff, Timmy and the city of San Antonio. Mercer may require some extra attention but we shall see what happens. Willis and Kerr will be vital to this team even more than last season.
So in the end, maybe we set out for one of the big three but I don't think we settled on what we got. There was alot of thought and hard work put into this with the long term goals of the organization put at the front. Dave cannot be replaced so you don't even try but this team is legit in more ways than one. The Spurs have not even arrived yet. Champs or not things are going to get better and this team has options for the future unlike any other team out there.
People on both sides do not seem able to understand that there was more than one "plan." The first part of their strategy was to make a run at a franchise level talent, hence the play for Kidd, JO'Neal, and Brand. While they did that they laid the groundwork for lesser tier free agents such as Nesterovic, Horry, PJBrown, etc...If Plan A didn't work then they switch to Plan B, and so on. I'm sure they wanted for Plan A to happen...that doesn't mean they didn't have a Plan B if that didn't materialize. Saying that things "didn't go according to plan" doesn't recognize this.
Right.
The first plan failed.
Now we're left with Plan B, despite sacrificing two years of clearing cap space.
We could've done moves like this each of the past two years if we abandoned the Holting Pattern.
Depends on how general your idea of a plan B is. If plan B was "sign a couple players and trade for some others" - then yah, we nailed it.
Signing Rasho and Horry while trading for Hedo and Mercer was not the plan. But that's the way it worked out and I call it a sucess. It certainly satisfies the broad scope of plan B.
And another thing, Ghost. Instead of pursuing a Blow It All Now strategy like you wanted them to they made an obvious conscious effort to develop the younger players under their rebuilding strategy.
And, again, they set themselves up with cap flexibility to handle life without David Robinson. It's more than just "the Spurs cleared cap space to make a run at a star". That's overly simplistic and frankly, a moronic view.
Given the trouble they had signing a free agent bigman where would they have been if they didn't have the cap flexibility this summer when DRob retired? Think.
scott, we had a successful Plan B, but failed at Plan A.
You do realize that we haven't done anything spectacular this offseason given how much cap space we have, right?
Well Ghost they could've done something "spectacular" such as giving up Ginobili for Sprewell. Instead they made some shrewd moves to build their team and retain the flexibility to keep it together.
Getting Turkoglu for the Ghost of Danny Ferry was pretty ing smooth. I'd take that over giving up a Manu for Spree anytime.
Geez offer an opinion and your called a morn.
Intelligent conversation??? Doubt it.....
Ghost,
I honestly don't understand how you still critizce front office manuvering when they gave us a le.
They won dude, you know, mission accomplished?
So, in other words, we didn't sacrafice .
You realize you aren't telling me anything I don't already know, right?scott, we had a successful Plan B, but failed at Plan A.
You do realize that we haven't done anything spectacular this offseason given how much cap space we have, right?
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Oh. Oaky, scott. My bad.
I thought you were one of the homers who thinks we struck oil this offseason, whereas we actually are falling below our highest expectations and right about what we better be doing given all this cap space.
The fact that we didn't get a second star does NOT mean that Pop doesnt believe in a two star system.
It only means that we were unable to get a second star here this summer.
Pop and company made the best out of a bad situation and should be praised for that....but there is no way in that this was there plan from the beginning.
Bull Ghost. Your "expectations" = damn near impossible. They were never "high" to you. If this team doesn't go 82-0 you like a mother er. If the Spurs don't land that second franchise player then my God why do you have to put up with the "pain" of being a Spurs fan. Snap yourself together and shut the **** up.
Relax, Marcus. Please direct all your hostilities at the Spurs front office or the NBA free agents who spurned us as predicted.
It ain't my fault.
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