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    Senior Member TheMadHatter's Avatar
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    What do you guys think? For a guy who's always been portrayed as one of the NBA's classiest players this was the kind of move that could destroy that reputation.

    The man opted out to supposedly allow the Clippers more flexibility in signing a top FA point guard. Brand specifically said he would like to see Baron Davis as a Clipper. The Clippers sign Baron, one would assume Brand would follow and allow the Clippers to field a team of Baron, Brand, Thornton, Kaman, Mobley.....but instead the mother er jumps ship to Philly leaving Baron behind.

    This has to be one of the lowest and snakiest moves I've seen in a long time.

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    One more time... xtremesteven33's Avatar
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    agreed

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    Shades of Carlos Boozer? The Clip joint should have learned from the Cavs mistake.

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    What Boozer did to Cleveland?

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    He's gonna get muurrrrdeeeerr next time he plays in L.A!!!


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    (You are my friend.) dieman8686's Avatar
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    Shades of Carlos Boozer? The Clip joint should have learned from the Cavs mistake.
    Beat me by seconds...

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    Spur-taaaa TDMVPDPOY's Avatar
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    it was all about the money

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    With Elton, you get the feeling that he's a business man first, a basketball player second. Not saying that that's rare, or out of the ordinary these days, but it seems to be true. I've heard him talk, I've seen a handful of his interviews, doesn't seem like the most loyal I'd say.

    Sort of related, Brand is trying to delve into movie production. His first film, under Gibraltar Entertainment, was "Rescue Dawn" with Christian Bale (great film IMO)... BUT, I remember reading stories about how Gibraltar got caught up in a bunch of lawsuits (people on the set not getting paid, etc), and Brand himself had to cough up alot of money to settle.

    heres one link from a couple of years ago
    http://thewernerhrzogarchive.blogspo...-troubles.html
    The Clippers' Brand has tried to transfer his basketball success to Hollywood, but his time as a producer has been marred by lawsuits.

    Elton Brand's reputation as an emerging NBA star has risen this season along with the Clippers' fortunes. His more checkered career as a Hollywood movie producer hasn't been getting as much attention.

    A production company in which Brand is a 50% owner has generated at least as much litigation as box office buzz.

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    You don't know the inside story on what happened between Brand and the Front Office of the Clippers. None of us do. One article I read said he was angry that the Clippers made one offer to him and refused to negotiate beyond that. If he opted out as a favor to them and then they took him for granted and treated him dismissively, I could see why he would consider the deal not binding. We'll see what happens tomorrow...

    BTW, should a guy whose trademark is a giant adolescent GAY-LOVE joke be judging the class and reputation of Elton Brand? Hmmm...

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    It's exactly like Boozer and Cleveland. Low, low, low. Makes you appreciate players like Duncan, Robinson, and Bowen, who all say they'll sign for less to make their teams better and then actually do it.

    And he didn't just screw the Clippers (the team that's paid his salary for the last how many years while he's been injuried - what an asshole) he screwed Baron Davis, who jumped ship on the expectation he'd be playing side by side with him. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Davis. He won't win with either GS or the Clippers as they are, but he'd have more fun with GS. With the Clippers and Brand - assuming he could stay healthy for a whole season - he might have had a chance to actually WIN.

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    I mean Elton Brand is a classic player and it good he will be signed he was playing in a team that he couldn't show pepole what he got!

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    what do u expect from a bunch of Dukies.........Boozer and Brand are cut from the same mold.

    remember when Dukies used to stay all 4 years? wasn't it Brand who bucked tradition and left way early? Brand has always been out for himself.

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    It's plain clueless to compare the Brand situation to the Boozer situation.
    It' not at all the same case.

    Clippers haven't even offered the max contract they could have offered to brand. They have badly low balled him and they are the ones who should be blamed. Clippers fans are really unlucky to have Sterling as their franchise's owner.

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    It's plain clueless to compare the Brand situation to the Boozer situation.
    It' not at all the same case.

    Clippers haven't even offered the max contract they could have offered to brand. They have badly low balled him and they are the ones who should be blamed. Clippers fans are really unlucky to have Sterling as their franchise's owner.
    I was thinking the same thing.

    Boozer actually had agreed to a contract and all.

    Brand never agreed to anything. The Clips should have paid him well for sticking it out through so many years of awful teams that he had to deal with.

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    It's exactly like Boozer and Cleveland. Low, low, low. Makes you appreciate players like Duncan, Robinson, and Bowen, who all say they'll sign for less to make their teams better and then actually do it.

    And he didn't just screw the Clippers (the team that's paid his salary for the last how many years while he's been injuried - what an asshole) he screwed Baron Davis, who jumped ship on the expectation he'd be playing side by side with him. I'd be pretty pissed if I were Davis. He won't win with either GS or the Clippers as they are, but he'd have more fun with GS. With the Clippers and Brand - assuming he could stay healthy for a whole season - he might have had a chance to actually WIN.

    Can't compare players. Duncan got the max from the Spurs. If Orlando was offering $20 more million and he felt unappreciated by the Spurs and the Spurs were a perennial lottery team, is it inconceivable that Duncan would have also jumped ship? Of course it is.

    Duncan and Robinson are not good examples because the Spurs did everything in their power to make sure they felt appreciated and were compensated accordingly. Duncan took a paycut after he got his big maximum contract. It's not like when Duncan was a FA, he took $10-12 million. That's simply not the case. And, it's not analogous to Brand's situation with the Clippers.

    As for Bruce Bowen, again, another poor example. There weren't exactly teams knocking down Bowen's door to give him a huge pay day compared to what the Spurs gave him. There was interest, but not a disparity in contracts like Brand had in front of him between the Sixers and Clippers.

    None of us fans know what goes on behind the closed doors of negotiations. And, while Brand appears to be a snake in this case, none of us really know what went down. So, it's not completely fair to judge it that way.

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    He played 7 years for the Clippers...SEVEN......

    In these situations, it is all about the player getting what they want, they have a short career, they should take care of themselves above all others.

    Even Boozer did the right thing if you ask me.......owners cut players all the time, there is no loyalty from team's to players......

    Good for Brand.

    DD

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    Hmm...let's see...his agent is David Falk.

    Yeah, that explains everything, IMO.

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    lol, Baron Davis. In one fell swoop, the Warriors ,the Spurs and him personally get ed.

    hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

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    It's not like Cleveland AT ALL. Brand opted out on his own accord. The Clips put a clause in his contract to opt out and he took it.

    Boozer's contract had a TEAM option. Cleveland wanted to lock him up long term and let him out with a gentlemens agreement that he would re-sign. And Boozer ed them in the ass.

    Brand never made any promise to anyone. . regardless of what he said for PR purposes. He did the right thing IMO, he took the offer that was best for him and the situation that was the best.

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    This for all you ing idiots who forgot how the Boozer thing went down. . .

    After the 2003-04 NBA season, in which Boozer averaged 15.5 points and 11.4 rebounds per game, the Cavaliers had the option of allowing him to become a restricted free agent, or keeping him under contract for one more year at a $695,000 salary. The Cavaliers claim to have reached an understanding with Boozer and his agent on a deal for approximately $39 million over 6 years, which he would sign if they let him out of his current deal.

    Once Cleveland eliminated the final year of Boozer's deal, making him a restricted free agent, his agent began to receive calls. He received an offer from the Utah Jazz.

    The Jazz had participated in the free agent market in previous years and had failed in attempts to sign Corey Maggette, Jason Terry and Elton Brand. They were determined to be successful and offered the most they could under the cir stances. Boozer signed their offer sheet, and Cleveland had the option to match, but were already over the salary cap, and so could match only up to the Mid-level exception, thus they 'chose' not to re-sign him. Boozer joined the Utah Jazz in July 2004 for six years and a total of $70 million. [1]

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    We still have a great team built around a HOF PG in his prime

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    And this is the Brand situation

    Brand opted out of the final year of his contract and became a free agent. However, he said that he hoped to resign with the Clippers. He gave up the $16.4 million on the last year of his contract with the Clippers to test the free agent waters. [4] According to ESPN, sources have reported that Brand chose to opt out from his contact in order to provide Clippers with more payroll flexibity in hopes of strengthening their roster[5].The latter claim came to fruition when Clippers landed a verbal agreement with Golden State Warriors star Baron Davis [6].The acquisition of Davis, along with Brand's apparent commitment to remain with Clippers, gave Clippers' managament and the media the reassurance that Brand would indeed resign with the team [5]. On July 8th, however, ESPN's Marc Stein reported that Brand has agreed to a five deal with Philadelphia 76ers, a team Brand has previously stated to have interest in, worth an estimated $82 million [5].

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    Shades of Carlos Boozer? The Clip joint should have learned from the Cavs mistake.
    Learned what?

    It was a PLAYER OPTION

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    Player Option - It is the PLAYERS choice to opt out of a given deal early.

    Team Option - It is the TEAMS choice to opt out of a given deal early.

    Cleveland - Had gentlemens agreement w/ Boozer that they would let him out early so that they could reward him with a bigger contract. Boozer SCREWED THEM.

    Clippers - Didn't have a choice in the matter. Brand opted out, said a bunch of PC PR crap, but ultimately made the best decision for him.

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    Dragon style JamStone's Avatar
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    We still have a great team built around a HOF PG in his prime
    Name the last championship team built around a HOF PG in his prime.

    It's been about 18 years.

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