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Matt Barnes is better and could be had pretty cheap right now. Supposedly, the Mavs are interested in Barnes.
Both are free agents who would you rather have? and what are the chances we get one of them from the rest of our MLE?
Matt Barnes is better and could be had pretty cheap right now. Supposedly, the Mavs are interested in Barnes.
I doubt the mavs have room for Barnes after signing Wright and Singleton both SFs
Hopefully the spurs are after Barnes.
If history gives any indication, Matt and his people might have already been contacted by SA who usually move in stealth mode regarding players they have realistic shots at signing. I think the biggest hurdle will likely come from (big surprise) the Clips and Lakers...especially the Clips. MB is definitely ripe for the picking this offseason, that's for sure, so remain optimistic.
D George no doubt.......He can play 2-4 and can hit the three defend well good rebounder and is more suited for spurs slow down game than Barnes
The Spurs are trying to get more athletic and quicker and you think they should slow down more? And since when does George play the 2?
He played the 2 some last year.....and defended alot of 2s......Bowen has played the 2 a couple years ago....and this guy is a better ball player than bowen.....The spurs are tryn to get more athletic....which george is.....and the spurs will not play fast as long as pops is coach so speed is not the problem its D and being able to get to the rack and george can do that....plus whoever we sign is only gonna be around till 2010....spurs have made that clear. The guy could really help against D West from N.O. WHO KILLED US because no one we had could stay with him ......he can take turns defending Odom from LA.....PHX DIAW gives us fits he would take care of that.......Dirk......The spurs have missed a guy who was big enough to defend 4s that could play away from the basket.....we havent had that since Malik Rose and I believe it cost us in the Dallas series a few yrs back...and almost cost us this year with West.....did cost us with Odom......Teams know this is our weakness and have drafted players to hurt us in that way
1) Just because you defend a two-guard doesn't mean you are playing that position yourself.He played the 2 some last year.....and defended alot of 2s......Bowen has played the 2 a couple years ago....and this guy is a better ball player than bowen.....The spurs are tryn to get more athletic....which george is.....and the spurs will not play fast as long as pops is coach so speed is not the problem its D and being able to get to the rack and george can do that....plus whoever we sign is only gonna be around till 2010....spurs have made that clear. The guy could really help against D West from N.O. WHO KILLED US because no one we had could stay with him ......he can take turns defending Odom from LA.....PHX DIAW gives us fits he would take care of that.......Dirk......The spurs have missed a guy who was big enough to defend 4s that could play away from the basket.....we havent had that since Malik Rose and I believe it cost us in the Dallas series a few yrs back...and almost cost us this year with West.....did cost us with Odom......Teams know this is our weakness and have drafted players to hurt us in that way
2) Barnes has better ball-handling skills than George and can create his OWN shot unlike George.
3) The Spurs played a versatile/more fast-paced style in 2005 on many occasions....I think Pop actually encouraged it unless the players just did whatever they felt like during that championship run.
4) George and Barnes are pretty comparable defensively, but neither would necessarily guard a guy like West in N.O.....that privilege is being left to Ian and possibly KT if he-resigns. Oh, and MB's defense helped tie up the league MVP back in the 2007 playoffs, who is bigger and stronger than he.
The Spurs liked Barnes a few years back. As most of you know, they brought him for workouts a couple times. I just don't know if they have lost interest since then. If it comes down to someone like Devean George, I'd just rather the Spurs keep someone young and raw instead.
Barnes.
Ok one....Matt Bares Played PF most of the time for Nellie....He is not a ball handler by any means.....is a very poor shooter.....look at his stats....and is a ghost defender......he also is about 220lbs.....and he would get killed by all the above players mentioned. George is a very good defender....and at 240lbs 6-8 can defend face up 4s......Bowen did a great job in 2007.....but he cannot defend post player...and has slowed down.....and if your remember from just this past years Playoffs.....Diaw killed bowen......he even struggled with Dirk.....and has no chance against D west .......If the spurs put Ian on D west....for long stretches of time he will foul out in 15 mins......he is a post defender......if he goes to cover guys 20ft from the rim he will get beat and they will be on the free throw line all night.....We drafted Gist with this in mind.......he and D George are similar players.....but DG can play now and is much stronger and can shoot the three
No Devean George please. I'd rather keep Finley.
What do you guys see in George?
He did nothing for us.
Bowen never guarded Diaw. George is better than Bowen? George shot 35% from the field this year and yet Barnes is the poor shooter? I think I found some people who agree with you. Check it out.
You may get your wish.....then when you see his old ass crank up 10 shots and leaving the game with 4 pts in 21 mins......you will be screaming for someone else......Fin is done.......no defense at all.......and if he cant give us 15ppg on 20mpg he is useless because he does nothing else..
You realize that Devean George averaged 3.7 ppg this year in 16 minutes, right?
And if you think Matt Barnes is a bad shooter you might want to look at George's shooting percentages. He hasn't shot higher than 41% from the field in his entire career.
Good one man......he did get stuck on Diaw several times for shot stretches......and Phx ran picks to make bowen switch on to Diaw and we paid for it.....Bowen is a perimeter defender....and has slowed down a bit.....teams are going at him now and we cant get away with having a guy who is a non factor on Offs then can only guard pgs and Sgs....the west is to strong now.......he needs to be moved to the bench...for a bigger stronger player who can do most what he does on Offs and can defend.....What are we gonna do next year when Phx goes big and plays Shaq at C Lopez at PF and Amare at the Sf........We will get killed inside while bowen and parker and manu watch fro the three pt line
I didn't say I want Finley to return. I'd just rather have hime over George.
I've already talked about liking Barnes as an option in his free agent thread.
Barnes has the ability to play the 3 or 4 and is much more fluid on the offensive side of the ball than George from a ball movement standpoint alone. Nellie actually encouraged Matt to put the ball on the floor more when he took over the regins in the Bay because he felt Barnes could exploit many of the more sizeable players that often wound up defending him....worked out pretty well before he wound up in Nellie's dog house, which led to his benching and didn't improve his shooting numbers. The guy has just as much range as George.
As far as defense goes, I'm not denying George is still a good defender, but Barnes is not to be slept on...and he's MUCH better than Finley. Finley might be alittle stronger but that got him nowhere against longer player such a Diaw in the playoffs who exploited his size and slowness. Barnes has length which can offset any deficiency in size.
Ian will likely alternate in his defensive assignments between guys like West and Chandler in N.O., esepcially with Pop not wanting to get Tim in foul trouble guarding David for long periods of time when TD and Ian are on the floor together. This was evdient in the playoffs.
We dont need Him to score, just give use a 3pt threat who can defend.....Oh and for his ppg average.......How many ppg do you think he will average when he is playing with 4 of the biggest ball hogs in the leauge???? He was in to play D........He did a fine job on Chris Paul, and D West in the playoffs.....again, not a cornerstone just a pcs........Dallas got Brandon Bass to hurt the spurs....Phx go Diaw......N.O. West...LA...Odom....Portland...Outlaw.....Seattle. ...Greene.......Teams out west have been biulding themselves to beat us......and it is working...so we need to adjust. Go back and look at game stats and see how these face up 4s have killed us.
You realize that Devean George averaged 3.7 ppg this year in 16 minutes, right?
And if you think Matt Barnes is a bad shooter you might want to look at George's shooting percentages. He hasn't shot higher than 41% from the field in his entire career.
Deavan George??!?!
You're not really serious here, are you????
George is a turd. I think Barnes would be a much better fit.
Although I don't see this scenario coming to fruition, I'll play devil's advocate: We would shoot them out of the gym.
I see what your sayn but I just think we have that in Udaka and the newly signed Mason.......Now if Gist can be the face up 4 defender and give us quality mins then I would go with barnes but for now I fell we can get what he gives from other guys while we really need that spec defender.......To be honest with you I am also concered we will not be able to score enough next year......I looked at what I believe each guy will give us and all I see is 95-96ppg about what we did this year....so if we dont go back to the old days of D first we will not make it out of the west next year.....unless Duncan can give us 25 ppg for the year and I dont see that
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