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My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes.
After agreeing with Oberto, Bonner and Vaughn, the salary cap picture is beginning to clear up. Here are the projected salaries for the 2007-08 season:
Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Jackie Butler -- $2,350,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590
James White -- $687,456
Marcus Williams -- $427,163
TOTAL -- $70,345,094
For purposes of the luxury tax threshold, Vaughn will only count $770,610 toward it, since he's a 10+ year veteran on a minimum contract. However, White will also count $770,610 since he was also signed as a free agent. With those adjustment, it looks like the team's salary is $69,979,268.
Last season, the luxury tax threshold was $65,420,000. This upcoming season that number is expect to be somewhere between $67,000,000 and $70,000,000. If it comes in at the high estimate, the Spurs should avoid paying the tax. If it comes in low, that'd make the team even more willing to ship off a player such as Beno Udrih.
However, this also means that the Spurs are highly unlikely to use their mid-level exception this year. If they do, the salary for that player will actually be doubled due to the luxury tax. For San Antonio to alter their roster from now to the beginning of the season, it's much more likely that they'd do so via trade.
The supposed 2008 plan, which called for the Spurs to get under the salary cap enough to sign a free agent to go with the Big Three, looks less promising with the re-signings of Oberto and Bonner. However, it appears that the Spurs should still have some room to operate. For the 2008-09 season, the following salaries are on the books:
Tim Duncan -- $20,598,704
Tony Parker -- $11,550,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,905,248
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,500,000
Matt Bonner -- $3,038,750
Jacque Vaughn -- $1,262,275
After adjusting Vaughn's salary again, that's $49,363,312 on the books. Adding in the six minimum salary spots (because you have to have at least 12 player spots counting against the cap) and assuming that San Antonio renounces the rights to all the other players, the Spurs total charge against the 2008-09 salary cap looks to be $51,926,290.
If the salary cap for the 2008-09 season comes in at $58,000,000 or more (which isn't too unlikely due to the new TV contract), the Spurs should have more than the mid-level exception to try to acquire a marquee player, even after the moves they made this summer.
Last edited by timvp; 07-04-2007 at 05:03 AM. Reason: Bruno and Xap corrections
My CBA knowledge is a little rusty so feel free correct any mistakes.
Maybe not likely but Duncan could opt out and sign a longer deal staring at a lower salary to help out, no?
Well the good thing is that with Oberto/TD/Manu/Tony you have 4 out of the starting 5 already under contract.
Do you think Bowen will play after next season? If so, will he still start? I think 08 might be the right year to get a good starting SF. Splitter might come over and Butler could still be on the team (he signed for 3 years iirc), Maybe White develops into a solid rotation player. So you have:
TP/Vaughn
Manu/ White
???/???
TD/Bonner
Oberto/Splitter/Butler
The frontcourt looks solid. Maybe Mahinmi could come over as well. I wonder who the Spurs target if it comes down to a SF. I think they might be interested in Diaw. But he did not play that well last year. With Finley/Barry you lose a lot of outside shooting. If I look at the lineup above there are no real shooters anymore (only Bonner) on the team so I guess they will also take a look at good/great shooters.
1. Long defensive SF who is able to hit the 3
2. Perimeter shooting
Don't the Spurs kind of have to sign Scola this summer...or lose him for good? Or at least for his prime?
It's possible. However, I think it's more likely that he just signs a two-year extension this summer.
Tough to tell. He's at the age where a player can look fine one day and then be finished the next. We'll have to readdress this after the upcoming season.
Agreed. As far as the shooting goes, that might be a reason they are looking at someone like Matt Carroll. After Bowen, Finley and Barry are no longer Spurs, they'll need to replace them with some sharpshooters. A Tim Duncan team without shooters is an ugly sight.
No, he becomes a free agent from Tau Ceramica on June 30th, 2008. That is the point when it becomes most likely that Scola will finally reach the NBA.
Tiago Splitter has an option next summer to buy out his contract to go to the NBA for $1M. If he doesn't do that next summer, his contract gets automatically extended until 2112.
If Bonner get a $9M contract wit a 10.5% raise, his first year salary will be $2,714,932.
Vaughn second year salary will be $1,262,275, the minimum salary for 10+ vet in 08-09.
White will too count $770,610 against the luxury tax.
The salary cap should raise by $2.7M only with the new TV deal.
The Ludden article said "about $9M". Starting at $2.75M like I have it has Bonner making a little over $9.1M. Until we see a definite figure, it's still a guess. But it's probably safe to say it's between $8.8M-$9.2M.
I got $1,317,157 by giving him an 8% raise on what he'll make next year. That's not how it works for veteran minimums?
It's reported he'll earn $2.5M over two years. My way, he makes a tad bit more. Your way, he makes a tad bit less.
You sure? Even though his salary will be less?
What do you think the cap will be this year and in '08-09? Thanks.
Wow! This guy must be not from Brazil, but from Valinor!
No. You had to respect the minimum salary scale. If you don't do it, Spurs will have to pay teh whole salary and the whole salry will count agaisnt the luxury tax and salry cap.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#19
Yes.Teams can offer players minimum salary contracts even if they are over the cap. Contracts can be up to two years in length. For two year contracts, the second season salary is the minimum salary for that season.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16
I've read a lot of things for this year from $54.5M to $57M.For players who signed as free agents (i.e., not draft picks), and make less than the two-year minimum salary, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is used in place of their actual salary.
$55M seems to be the consensus.
We should have a better idea of what will be the cap for 08/09 when the cap for 07/08 will be released.
If the 07/08 cap is at $55M, $60M for the 08/09 cap seems reasonable.
Thanks for the info. I forgot to factor in the Spurs didn't draft White. I'll change it
Do Mahinmi and Splitter count anything right now? Or would they next summer if the Spurs are trying to open up cap room?
I thought I remember that unsigned first round draft picks count against the cap somehow, but I can't find it in the CBA.
So it's possible that the Spurs could have $8M to spend under the cap next summer. That could land a pretty nice player.
Wow! This guy must be not from Brazil, but from Valinor!Tau is ruthless.
(Should say 2012)
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#43Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary.
Does that mean that they will count this year in regards to the luxury tax? And do you know if Mahinmi will count 100% of the scale in the year he was drafted or the current scale?
Thanks again
hi you all,
Timvp, just a little thing to edit in your first post : brent Barry instead of the second Manu ?
Xap'
It looks like Mahinmi and Splitter do currently count in respect to the luxury tax threshold. If that is the case, each would count about $750,000 and that would push the Spurs past any hope of coming under the luxury tax threshold.Does that mean that they will count this year in regards to the luxury tax? And do you know if Mahinmi will count 100% of the scale in the year he was drafted or the current scale?
Thanks again
I'll wait for Bruno confirmation that but that's what I gather from the CBA.
Trading away Beno and bringing in Mahinmi this summer makes even more sense if Mahinmi is costing them money anyways and Beno is what separates the Spurs from not having to pay tax.
Thanks. Can always count on French Spurs fans.
No, unsigned first round picks, who are udner contract with a non nba team (like Splitter and mahinmi), count against the cap only between July 1st and the first day of the regular season.
The Luxury tax is based on the team total salary at the last day of the season. So, when the luxury tax is calculated, unsigned first round picks doesn't count against the cap.
You're welcomeThanks again
Okay, I will trust what you say. That's easier than trying to look it up again
I don't get why people think that Bruce might not play after next season...As far as I've heard, he hasn't talked about retiring anytime soon. I only read about Horry saying that the upcoming season will be his last, more than likely. As for Bruce, he just had a phenomenal playoff and finals run. He was absolutely superb. His defense on Lebron was just amazing. Not to mention his clutch 3 in Game 5 agains the Suns. And also some 3s during a finals game when the big 3 were struggling. Why would he retire after next year?
I think he can play for another 3 years. I'm hoping the Spurs will give him another contract. I just cannot imagine the Spurs without Bruce. He is the best defender...Who is going to guard Kobe, AI, Carmelo, etc? So I sure hope he'd want to stay for a while longer. And I'd really hope the Spurs will give him a contract if he wants to play longer.
Being just above the Luxury tax won't be a big problem this year.
Being $1 over the Luxury tax threshold costed $2.4M in 05-06, $1.8M in 06-07 and will cost around $1M in 07-08.
If you want all details about that :Okay, I will trust what you say. That's easier than trying to look it up again
http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-VII_4.php
(e) First Round Picks.
(1) A First Round Pick, immediately upon selection in the Draft, shall be included in the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights at 100% of his applicable Rookie Scale Amount, and, subject to Section 4(e)(2) below, shall continue to be included in the Team Salary of any Team that holds his draft rights (including any Team to which the player’s draft rights are assigned) until such time as the player signs with such Team or until the Team loses or assigns its exclusive draft rights to the player.
(2) In the event that a First Round Pick signs with a non-NBA team, the player’s applicable Rookie Scale Amount shall be excluded from the Team Salary of the Team that holds his draft rights, beginning on the date he signs such non-NBA contract or the first day of the Regular Season, whichever is later, and shall be included again in his Team’s Team Salary at the applicable Rookie Scale Amount on the following July 1 or the date the player’s contract ends (or the player is released from his non-NBA contractual obligations), whichever is earlier, unless the Team renounces its exclusive rights to the player in accordance with Article X, Section 4(f). If, after such following July 1, or any subsequent July 1, the player signs another, or remains under, contract with a non-NBA team, the player’s applicable Rookie Scale Amount will again be excluded from Team Salary beginning on the date of the contract signing or the first day of the Regular Season commencing after such July 1, whichever is later, and will again be included in Team Salary at the applicable Rookie Scale Amount on the following July 1 or the date the player’s contract ends (or the player is released from his non-NBA contractual obligations), whichever is earlier, unless the Team renounces its exclusive rights to the player in accordance with Article X, Section 4(f).
(3) For purposes of this Section 4(e), in the event that a First Round Pick does not sign a Contract with the Team that holds his draft rights during the Salary Cap Year immediately following the Draft in which he was selected (or during the same Salary Cap Year in which he was drafted if the Draft occurs on or after July 1), the “applicable Rookie Scale Amount” for such First Round Pick means, with respect to any subsequent Salary Cap Year, the Rookie Scale Amount that would apply if the player were drafted in the Draft immediately preceding such Salary Cap Year at the same draft position at which he was actually selected.
Appreciate it
Too bad you weren't on the forum back in 2001 thru 2004 when the Spurs performed salary cap gymnastics all summer. Would have saved me a lot of reading
good job timvp......im still a little rusty on the NBA's cap. I have been doing simulated season's on NBA 2k7 and Im always in cap trouble.
Didnt realize Barry was paid that much. A great team player and a great shooter at times, he needs to be traded (as does Beno). Trade Scolas rights with one (or both of these guys) for Nocioni.
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