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    NBA's top trios
    by Chris Broussard

    First, it was about great teams -- the '60s Celtics, the '80s Lakers, Celtics, Sixers and Pistons.

    Then, it was about great duos -- Jordan and Pippen, Olajuwon and Drexler, Kemp and Payton, Stockton and Malone, Duncan and Robinson, Shaq and Kobe.

    Now, it's about trios, and Houston just created one. That's why the Rockets (assuming they're healthy and "distraction free") suddenly are legitimate le contenders.

    That being the case, here's my list of the league's Top 10 threesomes. Remember, this is not a ranking of teams but of Big Threes:

    1. Boston: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen
    Three Hall of Famers. Two great closers (Pierce and Ray), one terrific defender and rebounder (KG). A 7-footer (KG), a slasher (Pierce) and a textbook jump shooter (Ray). A ring.

    By the way, Pierce is nuts if he thinks he's the league's best player. I love his game and he was definitely the finals MVP. But Paul, don't get it twisted: you're probably not even in the Top 10 (I feel like Roger Federer talking to Neil Everett): (In no particular order) LeBron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire.

    I like Paul's confidence, though.

    2. San Antonio: Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili
    Duncan's aging, but I'm not ready to count these three out just yet. All three could end up in the Hall of Fame: Parker for being a key star on at least three le teams, and Ginobili for his success on the world stage.

    3. Los Angeles Lakers: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol
    If Bynum returns quickly to the form he displayed (17.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2.1 bpg) in the three weeks preceding his injury, this will be the league's second-best trio, at least. And a fourth option like Lamar Odom only strengthens the Lakers' version of the Big Three.

    4. Houston: Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Ron Artest
    The main obstacles for the new-look Rockets are health and keeping Ron-Ron under control. If those two factors don't become issues, they will be sweet. We don't even have to talk about their defense. The league's second-best defensive team just added the best, most feared perimeter defender on earth, for goodness sakes.

    And offensively, the Rockets now have three legitimate 20-point scorers. T-Mac's an old and weary 29 (entering his 12th season), so the addition of Artest will take some of the heavy offensive burden off his shoulders.

    Plus, Artest gives them something some of these Big Threes lack -- an edge.

    5. New Orleans: Chris Paul, David West, Tyson Chandler
    These three have tremendous chemistry. There's no doubt that Paul lifts West and Chandler to another level, and the sum here is probably better than the individual parts.

    Paul is the best point guard on the planet (though D-Will is right on his heels). West is one of the most versatile power forwards in the game who can punish the defense inside, outside and on the break, and Chandler is a great rebounder, a forceful presence defensively and a nice offensive complement to Paul. And as with the Lakers, a fourth-best player like Peja Stojakovic only makes the Bayou's Big Three that much stronger.

    6. Phoenix: Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shaquille O'Neal
    This may be a stretch, but I'm betting that Nash has one more splendid year in him and that Shaq has one more decent run in him. Amare was a monster next to Shaq, and I'm going to give Shaq the benefit of the doubt and say that pride will motivate him to play well next season.

    The Suns' days as a le contender are over, but this threesome must still be respected.

    7. Detroit: Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace
    Could be another stretch because in my opinion the Pistons, as currently constructed, are no longer contenders. But they'll probably finish with a fairly strong regular-season record. If new coach Michael Curry can get Billups and Wallace to turn back the clock two years, they'll be in business. But that's a big "if." Also, like the Lakers and Hornets, the Pistons have something of a Big Four with Tayshaun Prince.

    8. Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Josh Howard
    Man, I'm giving the old trios lots of credit, huh. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Rick Carlisle and an offseason of meditation will help these three mesh better. Like Phoenix and Detroit ahead of them, they're done contending for rings, but they can certainly play better than they did last season. Almost went with Washington and Philly over them, but I had to admit that in the East, Dallas would be a force.

    9. Washington: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler
    The last time these three were healthy for a significant stretch of time, they sent Eddie Jordan to the All-Star Game as coach of the Eastern Conference. The main downfall of this triumvirate is that there's no dominant big man. Yeah, Jamison was one of only four players to average at least 20 points and 10 rebounds last season, but as good as he is, Jamison's not an overpowering force on the frontline, and that's what you need to be elite. He's barely a power forward.

    10. Philadelphia: Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala, Andre Miller
    They've got a low-post scorer in Brand, a versatile slasher in Iguodala, and a prototypical point guard in Miller. I'd have them ahead of Washington's three if they'd played together before. And with Iguodala improving, they could climb the charts in the upcoming months.

    Others

    Utah: Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer are absolutely one of the league's best tandems (assuming Boozer's late-season tumble wasn't a sign of things to come). But there's no third star. If either Mehmet Okur or Andrei Kirilenko can return to their all-star form, the Jazz will definitely have a threesome worthy of the list.

    Denver: Again, A.I. and Melo make a fearsome Big Two, but it's a reach to make Kenyon Martin the third piece of a Big Three.

    Portland: Prediction: Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden are going to lead the Blazers to the playoffs this year, which is saying a ton considering they're in the West. Hopefully, Oden gets his game back quickly.

    Orlando: Offensively, Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis are arguably the best frontcourt in the league. Gotta get better on the other end, though.

    Toronto: A lot of questions here. Can Jermaine O'Neal still play at an elite level? Can Jose Calderon play like the all-star caliber point guard he's shown signs of becoming?

    Miami: I think Michael Beasley's going to be all that. Obviously, Dwyane Wade already is. But Beasley and Shawn Marion pretty much play the same position. It's hard to put much faith in the Heat considering Wade's penchant for getting hurt, Beasley's youth and Marion's inability to create his own shot, but this crew's got potential.

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    NBA's top trios
    by Chris Broussard

    First, it was about great teams -- the '60s Celtics, the '80s Lakers, Celtics, Sixers and Pistons.

    Then, it was about great duos -- Jordan and Pippen, Olajuwon and Drexler, Kemp and Payton, Stockton and Malone, Duncan and Robinson, Shaq and Kobe.

    Now, it's about trios, and Houston just created one. That's why the Rockets (assuming they're healthy and "distraction free") suddenly are legitimate le contenders.

    That being the case, here's my list of the league's Top 10 threesomes. Remember, this is not a ranking of teams but of Big Threes:

    1. Boston: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen
    Three Hall of Famers. Two great closers (Pierce and Ray), one terrific defender and rebounder (KG). A 7-footer (KG), a slasher (Pierce) and a textbook jump shooter (Ray). A ring.

    By the way, Pierce is nuts if he thinks he's the league's best player. I love his game and he was definitely the finals MVP. But Paul, don't get it twisted: you're probably not even in the Top 10 (I feel like Roger Federer talking to Neil Everett): (In no particular order) LeBron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire.

    I like Paul's confidence, though.

    2. San Antonio: Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili
    Duncan's aging, but I'm not ready to count these three out just yet. All three could end up in the Hall of Fame: Parker for being a key star on at least three le teams, and Ginobili for his success on the world stage.

    3. Los Angeles Lakers: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol
    If Bynum returns quickly to the form he displayed (17.6 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 2.1 bpg) in the three weeks preceding his injury, this will be the league's second-best trio, at least. And a fourth option like Lamar Odom only strengthens the Lakers' version of the Big Three.

    4. Houston: Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Ron Artest
    The main obstacles for the new-look Rockets are health and keeping Ron-Ron under control. If those two factors don't become issues, they will be sweet. We don't even have to talk about their defense. The league's second-best defensive team just added the best, most feared perimeter defender on earth, for goodness sakes.

    And offensively, the Rockets now have three legitimate 20-point scorers. T-Mac's an old and weary 29 (entering his 12th season), so the addition of Artest will take some of the heavy offensive burden off his shoulders.

    Plus, Artest gives them something some of these Big Threes lack -- an edge.

    5. New Orleans: Chris Paul, David West, Tyson Chandler
    These three have tremendous chemistry. There's no doubt that Paul lifts West and Chandler to another level, and the sum here is probably better than the individual parts.

    Paul is the best point guard on the planet (though D-Will is right on his heels). West is one of the most versatile power forwards in the game who can punish the defense inside, outside and on the break, and Chandler is a great rebounder, a forceful presence defensively and a nice offensive complement to Paul. And as with the Lakers, a fourth-best player like Peja Stojakovic only makes the Bayou's Big Three that much stronger.

    6. Phoenix: Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shaquille O'Neal
    This may be a stretch, but I'm betting that Nash has one more splendid year in him and that Shaq has one more decent run in him. Amare was a monster next to Shaq, and I'm going to give Shaq the benefit of the doubt and say that pride will motivate him to play well next season.

    The Suns' days as a le contender are over, but this threesome must still be respected.

    7. Detroit: Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace
    Could be another stretch because in my opinion the Pistons, as currently constructed, are no longer contenders. But they'll probably finish with a fairly strong regular-season record. If new coach Michael Curry can get Billups and Wallace to turn back the clock two years, they'll be in business. But that's a big "if." Also, like the Lakers and Hornets, the Pistons have something of a Big Four with Tayshaun Prince.

    8. Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Josh Howard
    Man, I'm giving the old trios lots of credit, huh. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Rick Carlisle and an offseason of meditation will help these three mesh better. Like Phoenix and Detroit ahead of them, they're done contending for rings, but they can certainly play better than they did last season. Almost went with Washington and Philly over them, but I had to admit that in the East, Dallas would be a force.

    9. Washington: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler
    The last time these three were healthy for a significant stretch of time, they sent Eddie Jordan to the All-Star Game as coach of the Eastern Conference. The main downfall of this triumvirate is that there's no dominant big man. Yeah, Jamison was one of only four players to average at least 20 points and 10 rebounds last season, but as good as he is, Jamison's not an overpowering force on the frontline, and that's what you need to be elite. He's barely a power forward.

    10. Philadelphia: Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala, Andre Miller
    They've got a low-post scorer in Brand, a versatile slasher in Iguodala, and a prototypical point guard in Miller. I'd have them ahead of Washington's three if they'd played together before. And with Iguodala improving, they could climb the charts in the upcoming months.

    Others

    Utah: Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer are absolutely one of the league's best tandems (assuming Boozer's late-season tumble wasn't a sign of things to come). But there's no third star. If either Mehmet Okur or Andrei Kirilenko can return to their all-star form, the Jazz will definitely have a threesome worthy of the list.

    Denver: Again, A.I. and Melo make a fearsome Big Two, but it's a reach to make Kenyon Martin the third piece of a Big Three.

    Portland: Prediction: Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden are going to lead the Blazers to the playoffs this year, which is saying a ton considering they're in the West. Hopefully, Oden gets his game back quickly.

    Orlando: Offensively, Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis are arguably the best frontcourt in the league. Gotta get better on the other end, though.

    Toronto: A lot of questions here. Can Jermaine O'Neal still play at an elite level? Can Jose Calderon play like the all-star caliber point guard he's shown signs of becoming?

    Miami: I think Michael Beasley's going to be all that. Obviously, Dwyane Wade already is. But Beasley and Shawn Marion pretty much play the same position. It's hard to put much faith in the Heat considering Wade's penchant for getting hurt, Beasley's youth and Marion's inability to create his own shot, but this crew's got potential.
    so 1 boston NBA ring > than 3 SA ????

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    I thought Boston's Big 3 was down to a Big 2 during the playoffs

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    so 1 boston NBA ring > than 3 SA ????
    I thought the same. Horse list to sum it up.

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    no surprise that they put the Boston Big 3 at top. im just kinda suprised they didnt put the Rockets "Big 3" at 2.

    we all know the TRUE Big 3 and that is Tim,Tony, and Manu.

    no question.

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    so 1 boston NBA ring > than 3 SA ????
    You seem to forget that it was their first season together

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    And ESPN's love affair with all things Boston continues. It's a shame that one year of Celtics dominance can overshadow a decade of THE BEST FRANCHISE IN SPORTS. I guess that's what happens when you get 3 overpaid chokers together and put them in one of the biggest sports markets in the U.S.

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    So Duncan is aging yet Garnett isn't? Garnett is all of 20 days younger. Garnett has also played 92 more career games than Duncan and more than 2000 more minutes. Yet Duncan is somehow considered the old man and KG is the up-and-coming championship contender for the next half decade.

    I guess the media perception is skewed since KG has been invisible for much of his career. With all his first round exits and missed playoffs, he seems like a youngin'.

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    The thing standing in the way of the Houston "big three" is a lack of prozac supply in the whole city.

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    So Duncan is aging yet Garnett isn't? Garnett is all of 20 days younger. Garnett has also played 92 more career games than Duncan and more than 2000 more minutes. Yet Duncan is somehow considered the old man and KG is the up-and-coming championship contender for the next half decade.

    I guess the media perception is skewed since KG has been invisible for much of his career. With all his first round exits and missed playoffs, he seems like a youngin'.
    Not to mention KG's game is much more reliant on his athleticism than Duncan's.

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    Let's give Boston their due. We've been basking in glory for a while now, so let's give them the chance.

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    So Duncan is aging yet Garnett isn't? Garnett is all of 20 days younger. Garnett has also played 92 more career games than Duncan and more than 2000 more minutes. Yet Duncan is somehow considered the old man and KG is the up-and-coming championship contender for the next half decade.

    I guess the media perception is skewed since KG has been invisible for much of his career. With all his first round exits and missed playoffs, he seems like a youngin'.



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    1. Boston: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen
    2. San Antonio: Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili
    3. Los Angeles Lakers: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol
    4. New Orleans: Chris Paul, David West, Tyson Chandler
    5. Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Josh Howard
    6. Washington: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler
    7. Phoenix: Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shaquille O'Neal
    8. Houston: Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Ron Artest
    9. Detroit: Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace
    10.Orlando: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis
    fixed


    but if you count entire team:
    1. Los Angeles Lakers: Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol
    2. Boston: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen
    3. San Antonio: Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili
    4. New Orleans: Chris Paul, David West, Tyson Chandler
    5. Houston: Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Ron Artest
    6. Dallas: Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, Josh Howard
    7. Detroit: Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace
    8. Phoenix: Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, Shaquille O'Neal
    9. Washington: Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler
    10.Orlando: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis
    Last edited by hater; 07-31-2008 at 03:30 PM.

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    So Duncan is aging yet Garnett isn't? Garnett is all of 20 days younger. Garnett has also played 92 more career games than Duncan and more than 2000 more minutes. Yet Duncan is somehow considered the old man and KG is the up-and-coming championship contender for the next half decade.

    It does seem strange to read about the Spurs Big 3 being old, but not the Celtics trio. That seems to be the perception with a lot of writers and commentators. It would be nice if some of them actually looked at the facts:

    Born within days of each other, Garnett finished high school in 1995 and Duncan finished an honors degree from Wake in 1997. (But this is about age, not IQ.) Garnett has 41,000 NBA minutes compared to Duncan's 37,000 in the NBA plus 4,500 in college - a virtual tie, if you include college ball. If Garnett has any longevity advantage, it's that he's 40 lbs. lighter, and doesn't take nearly the pounding that Duncan does night after night. But for the last 4-5 years, Pop has trimmed Duncan to around 34 mpg, compared to Garnett's 39 mpg. And Duncan has the added advantage of being able to play smart.

    Pierce and Ginobili are within 3 months of each other in age. Ginobili played in the Argentinian league from 95-98, and Pierce played at Kansas from 95-98. Ginobili joined the Euro League in 1998, the same year Pierce joined the NBA. In other words, they have competed for the same number of years. Pierce has 30,000 NBA minutes plus 3,000 in college. Ginobili has 15,000 NBA minutes, plus 5,500 in the Argentinian and Euro leagues. Even when you throw in Manu's Olympic and international compe ion, Pierce has a of a lot more mileage on him than Manu.

    Ray Allen is almost exactly 7 years older than Tony Parker. He has 35,000 NBA minutes, and 3,000 in college. Tony has 22,000 minutes in the NBA, plus his experience in France and international compe ions. (His first 2 seasons were only 30 games long, and his third he was a backup with limited minutes.) The comparison seems kind of silly. Tony is just coming into his prime, whereas Allen is beginning his 14th year in the NBA, and has had serious injury problems in 4 of his last 7 seasons.

    Two of the Celtics' Big 3 are the same age as our players, and as a group they are older and have more mileage. Last season, Pierce was injured and only played in 47 games, and Ray Allen only played in 55 for the Sonics. (Near the end of April, the C's were down to 8 healthy players.) At the end of the season, when it counts, Allen was completely out and Pierce was far from 100%. If either, or both of those injuries had happened this season, the Celtics wouldn't have been raising a trophy. Would that have been because they were an "aging" group?

    Manu's injury was untimely, but it's not time to put our Big 3 out to pasture.
    Last edited by GSH; 08-01-2008 at 12:49 AM.

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    So Duncan is aging yet Garnett isn't? Garnett is all of 20 days younger. Garnett has also played 92 more career games than Duncan and more than 2000 more minutes. Yet Duncan is somehow considered the old man and KG is the up-and-coming championship contender for the next half decade.

    I guess the media perception is skewed since KG has been invisible for much of his career. With all his first round exits and missed playoffs, he seems like a youngin'.
    All those missed playoff games have kept KG fresh. Tim's played more than twice as many games and minutes as Garnett in the playoffs.

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    When he mentions Toronto at the end of his article he leaves out Chris Bosh.

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    You seem to forget that it was their first season together
    So? LeBron had a monster rookie year. Did that make him the best player? No. He only did it one time.

    Same ing thing.

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    This article is trash, anyone who ranks deron ing williams ahead of dirk in a top 10 list is mentally re ed

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    This article is trash, anyone who ranks deron ing williams ahead of dirk in a top 10 list is mentally re ed
    ummmm first of all, it's big 3 vs. big 3. Not Deron vs. Dirk.

    Secondly, Dallas' big 3 are ranked 8th, while Utah is in the "Others" category. So Dallas is ranked higher. Your gripe is meaningless.

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    Celtics vs Spurs- match made in basketball heaven

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    what a ty list.

    Spurs r top no question because each one can come through in the clutch and they have proof of it(RINGS).

    And i didnt know Dallas had a big 3.

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    Celtics vs Spurs- match made in basketball heaven
    Celtics vs Lakers match made in David Stern's kitchen

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    I thought Boston's Big 3 was down to a Big 2 during the playoffs

    TRUE!..

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    Allen's playoff stats:

    26 games

    5 games with single digit points, including one with ZERO points, only six 20-point games.

    15.6 points per game, .428 shooting, 3.8 rebounds, 2.7 assists, on 38 minutes per game. NOT IMPRESSIVE!

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...allenra02.html

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    houston does not have ron ron yet
    why post them

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