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No way. Despite Manu's injury, he still in the latter part of his prime. He still has another good 3 seasons of playing like he did last year left in him.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8...-with-Ginobili
Q&A: Spurs are in tough spot with Ginobili
by Charley Rosen
Charley Rosen is FOXSports.com's NBA analyst and author of 14 books about hoops, the current one being No Blood, No Foul.
Updated: August 31, 2008, 1:26 PM EST 2 comments
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Should the Spurs try to make a major trade? Being that Bruce Bowen is up there in age and obviously Tim Duncan isn't getting younger, it seems to me that TD needs to be surrounded with some younger players. I would try to move Manu Ginobili before he gets hurt again. Wouldn't packaging Ginobili with Bowen bring the Spurs a good return? — Kris, San Antonio
It's true that the Spurs are an aging ball club. Their list of overly-seasoned veterans include Bowen (37), Michael Finley (35), Kurt Thomas (36), Fabricio Oberto (33), Jacque Vaughn (33) and TD is 32! The plan is to replace Bowen with Ime Udoka, who's still at least a year away from being a consistent defender, but given his advanced years, it's hard to imagine any other team wanting to deal for BB.
Also, given that Duncan and Tony Parker are untouchable, there's no one else on their roster who could command a quality player in return.
It's also true that the full-speed-ahead style of the 31-year-old Ginobili often leads to stints on the injured list — during his NBA career he's missed an average of nearly 11 games per season. Even so, he remains the primary motor of the Spurs offense — simply because he can go get the ball while the ball has to come to Duncan. Make no mistake about Ginobili's skill level — he's a bona fide super star. So, then, for whom could Ginobili be traded? Who could possibly duplicate what he does for San Antonio?
Obviously, guys like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant are out of the question. So is Paul Pierce, who's rapidly approaching the 32nd anniversary of his birth. Perhaps someone like Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, Carmelo Anthony and Vince Carter could be had — but none of these guys fit Pop's unselfish game plan.
Would the Kings be willing to deal Kevin Martin (25)? Would Pop want anything to do with Tracy McGrady (29)?
Probably not.
Nor would the likes of Luol Deng (23), Gerald Wallace (26), or Rip Hamilton (30) be considered without additional inducements.
Indeed, the only semi-available player I'd trade Ginobili for would be Joe Johnson (27). Failing this, the Spurs would be advised to stand pat, hope that their elder statesmen can squeeze out another quality season, that Ginobili's rehab will be successful and that Roger Mason is a big surprise.
Moreover, having most recently won championships in 2003, 2005 and 2007, hopefully the Spurs should be the odds-on favorites to win again in 2009.
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Yes another thread. ST is slow and probably will be for September.
I wouldn't be totally against Manu for JJ type deal. I may be bias with JJ being a former Arkansas Razorback but still. He is not injury prone and can score the ball.
No way. Despite Manu's injury, he still in the latter part of his prime. He still has another good 3 seasons of playing like he did last year left in him.
I don't think Joe Johnson "me-first" at ude will fit in the Spurs "team-first" creed. And it will be a disgrace to the Spurs organization if Manu is traded to the lowly Hawks. Standing pat is probably the bext course of action for now.
Manu for JJ...interesting. I think I would do it too. You would get just as much production wise and he is only 27. The salaries don't match up though, so you might have to add a few pieces or get a third team involved.
I would think about that too. Joe Johnson is pretty good
Manu is not getting traded...this is so re ed.
Joe Johnson is so 'team-first' that he forced a trade out of Phoenix so he could be the man on a crappy Hawks team.
Neither side would do Manu for JJ.
Manu is not going anywhere.
to the op, nice sig
Yet another column where Charley Rosen proves he doesn't know jack about the NBA or the Spurs. Fail.
talent and age wise would be a great trade for the Spurs. Not so good for the Hawks, who don't want an old Manu even though he put up 26 straight on them...
what, no other max contract players to replace manu with?
i know it has a lot to do with what teams they play for, but its not like JJ hasnt ever had injuries. JJ's high MPG makes him seem a lot more durable, but:
young joe johnson plays 80.8 games a year in his NBA career
injury prone manu plays 90.1 games a year in his NBA career
JJ still plays more minutes a season, but the difference isnt as big as you might think.
the only thing that JJ does clearly better than manu, is take care of the ball and play more minutes. shooting %, scoring rate, assist rate, blocks boards and steals are all in favor of manu.
and while manu is most known for winning everywhere he went, JJ is most known for leaving a contender for a max contract. but i'm sure someone here will tell me that manu is the selfish one, not JJ...
leaving the suns with that head coach was smart
jj was treated unfairly in sun land
manu has done what asked to for spurs except this year with the games
it is not jj fault that shawn marion was always shut down by bruce bowen when he was with the suns and could not beat the spurs
not sure I would trade jj for manu though
ughh. the plays that manu couldn't make because of his ankle are the plays that Johnson can't make on any night.
Manu had the greatest year of his career last season. He's gotten better the last few years, not worse. Who knows if he has even peaked yet? I think people are seriously over-reacting. He needs surgery... it's no big deal. D Wade, Kobe, Duncan, Brand... Magic, Bird, MJ.... all have had surgery. Corey Maggette-- that same guy that everyone on spurstalk was dying to get-- has had multiple surgeries, and is far more injury prone than Manu. If anything, Manu's ankle could be stronger than ever. Professional athletes get surgeries.... I don't see anything to get too excited about.
Last edited by Tully365; 09-01-2008 at 12:23 AM.
At this point, I wouldn't trade Manu for any of those guys mentioned, even Joe Johnson. I'm a biased observer being an manu-maniacbut besideshis talent, drive and will to succeed, he has that "something" that would be hard to replace.
Now I realize there will come a time when Manu is no longer be a Spur (hopefully by his own choice aka retirement or playing in Europe) but again, that time has not arrived.
Getting the ankle surgery is probably the best plan, no doubt.
The current problem with the left ankle is not related to the right ankle injury Manu suffered in 2002 in the World Championships in Indy, prior to Manu coming into the NBA.
This trade scenario has already been brought up in the trade Manu thread, which is kind of funny because me and the person who brought it up said that sounds about right. Not that I am advocating trading Manu, just that JJ is the best we could hope for. I also posted this article earlier.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103945
Nice...Stand Pat...Spurs will be the last team in NBA Manu's playing
agree.
I also think this "trade" is a quite reasonable idea by Rosen.
this doesn't mean Spurs should trade Manu for him. of course not.
it's just a nice example where to rank Manu. Rosen is pretty at the point with JJ. as usual.
I don't know why people constantly get mad when someone from outside of the radical homer community dare to drop an objective opinion.
btw. in general Rosen is extremely friendly about the Spurs. what should he do?
claim that Manu should only be traded for Wade if the Heat add Beasley and so look like an idiot?
Manu will finish his NBA career in SA.
(with one last kiss from Pop for who he is and what he did for the spurs).
enough!
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What's done is done and I may as well take the view that the surgery will benefit Manu and the Spurs in the long run, specially in the playoffs when hopefully he will be back to his old self.
In the meanwhile, his absence will give the new acquisitions adequate playing time to gel with the veterans and learn the Spurs system. I don;t think trading Manu is a realistic possibility.. he still has a lot of upside and I think he will end his career in SA.
1. TD quality season - check (I think he'll be very solid until 35 or 36 due to his smart, ground-bound game);Failing this, the Spurs would be advised to stand pat, hope that their elder statesmen can squeeze out another quality season (1), that Ginobili's rehab will be successful (2) and that Roger Mason is a big surprise(3).
2. Doctors are pretty good these days, and Pop won't rush him back, which will...
3. ...open up time for Mason to shine, and I think he will! Guy can flat out score and is active all over the court.
If only we'd signed someone better to take over Finley's role, I'd be over the moon. He is the weakest link. , Mo Evans would've done, or a young up and comer. Anyway...
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