How Long Will Donnie Nelson Sit With His Thumb Up His Ass?

[monosylab1k]

another day, another appalling lack of activity from the Mavs front office. Now Garnett is gone. Not that I thought we had a great shot at getting him, but still......DO ING SOMETHING DONNIE!!!! ANYTHING!!! Still no word on Webber or Jones or Mason or even in Matt Barnes. Will the Mavericks do ANYTHING worthwhile this offseason? or do they really think that a team who got the kicked out of them in the 1st round doesn't need help?

[Shank]

Expect them to sit even longer. Everything you've heard from the Mavs about them being happy with the assembly of the team and that they don't feel a shakeup is necessary is the truth. They still think the loss to GS was a fluke and that, given another chance, they'd beat the Warriors the next time they meet. They figure to add a few small pieces here and there, but really, you're already seeing next year's team.

It's even more of Avery trying to make this team in the blueprint of the Spurs. I've heard talk from Stack about how the Spurs handle the regular season, gearing up for the playoffs and how they'll do something similar next year. We already know Avery's m.o. and we're seeing it in the front office by standing by 'your guys' and 'your system' by not making big changes just because it didn't work the year before.

[Clark_Kent]

Hasn't Mason already signed with the Bucks?

[monosylab1k]

Hasn't Mason already signed with the Bucks?

yeah evidently so.

[monosylab1k]

this is some bull . they really don't think that this team needs some improvements in vital areas? ing idiots.

[Dalhoop]

When a team wins that many games, a major overhaul is not needed. Your looking at the Warriors with fear in your eyes as a Mavs fan, and that fine, but at the same time, with the team as it is, Do you have the same fear when the Mavs are facing the Spurs? Suns? or Pistons?

The Mavs as they are right now, are built to beat the top teams. Would you want them to re-tool so they can beat the Warriors? Or Lakers? Or Clippers? No, you wouldn't.

If the Mavs are to win it all, they are going to have to beat the Spurs - Sun - Pistons. They will run into one of those teams in the playoffs eventually most likely late in the playoffs rounds.

So the Mavs are going to take their chances against the "Bad Match-up" teams in the early rounds and stay with the "Giant beater" team that they have now so that they have a chance in the later rounds.

[Findog]

I'm just fine with them bringing this team back intact. This year's FA class was weak and our cap situation improves greatly next year with Fin and the Mormon's dead money off the books. This is still a very young team, and if next year results in a disappointing playoff finish, THEN that's the time for a major shakeup, considering that would be 3 bad playoff finishes in a row, your cap situation is much better, and there's more to choose from FA-wise. I'm glad they didn't panic and overreact.

[John Patrick]

When a team wins that many games, a major overhaul is not needed. Your looking at the Warriors with fear in your eyes as a Mavs fan, and that fine, but at the same time, with the team as it is, Do you have the same fear when the Mavs are facing the Spurs? Suns? or Pistons?

The Mavs as they are right now, are built to beat the top teams. Would you want them to re-tool so they can beat the Warriors? Or Lakers? Or Clippers? No, you wouldn't.

If the Mavs are to win it all, they are going to have to beat the Spurs - Sun - Pistons. They will run into one of those teams in the playoffs eventually most likely late in the playoffs rounds.

So the Mavs are going to take their chances against the "Bad Match-up" teams in the early rounds and stay with the "Giant beater" team that they have now so that they have a chance in the later rounds.

wasnt this what they were thinking before this year's playoffs?

[Findog]

wasnt this what they were thinking before this year's playoffs?

I think the Mavs are better off keeping a team intact that can hang with San Antonio, Phoenix and Houston, as opposed to retooling to beat a Golden State team that no longer exists after the Richardson trade.

[monosylab1k]

wasnt this what they were thinking before this year's playoffs?

It was. Just switch out "Warriors" with "Heat" and it's a carbon copy of what everybody was saying last year.

This year's team wouldn't have beaten the Spurs or Suns or Jazz, maybe not even the Rockets.

[Dalhoop]

I don't know what others were saying or thinking after the Heat series. I wouldn't mind playing the Heat for all the marbles again, I think that this team can beat the Heat and were a victum of some stellar play from a star player.

I wouldn't like to run into the Warriors again, they have had our number for several years now and until we start competing with them, I would just as soon avoid them in the playoffs.

The two series were completely different, the reasons that we lost were different. The Mavs feel that they have corrected the Heat mistake .. Until they show that they have solved the Warrior problem ... I would just as soon they avoid them.

I think they would have beaten the Spurs in six, Rockets in five and been taken to seven games by both the Suns and Jazz (Coin flip of those two series). But then we would never know any of that.

This team is built to beat the top tier teams though, ask the Spur fans here what team would give them the most problems.

[td4mvp3]

i'd be willing to say the mavs would have beaten the top teams ... had avery, after the warriors loss, not said he'd seen the problems within the team and how it wasn't as good as it thought it was. unless he was blowing smoke up our tails, he was pointing out that the current construction had some issues that needed addressing and the stand pat approach doesn't seem to do that. even if the issue was a lack of edge from having won so many games, shouldn't the loss to the heat have been enough of a spur to continue pushing? , a lot of mavs fans on this board said the finals loss was a bigger deal than the warriors fiasco ... but while it wasn't enough. now the lesser disappointment is supposed to spark them to greater heights? and i'm not buying a ulative effect since the previous years' losses should have done as much. i think they should have done something.

[thispego]

mavs have been knocked back down to mediocre status. sure, espn might still tout them as one of the best 3 in the west, but will the mavs players still buy that? i dont think so... they're gonna be a shaky team next year, and if things start going badly... i dont know if they'll be able to stay intact.

[Findog]

mavs have been knocked back down to mediocre status. sure, espn might still tout them as one of the best 3 in the west, but will the mavs players still buy that? i dont think so... they're gonna be a shaky team next year, and if things start going badly... i dont know if they'll be able to stay intact.

You are a Moron. That is all.

How much money would you be willing to lay in Vegas that Dallas will go .500 next year if they're healthy? Because that's what mediocrity is.

[thispego]

i think it's possible, your boy shank said it himself that the mavs were going to start treating the reg season like the spurs do. Avery doesn't know what he's doing, he's a copycat, he sees other teams successes and tries to emulate them. I think Dallas will be a team with a lot of turmoil next season

[Findog]

i think it's possible, your boy shank said it himself that the mavs were going to start treating the reg season like the spurs do. Avery doesn't know what he's doing, he's a copycat, he sees other teams successes and tries to emulate them. I think Dallas will be a team with a lot of turmoil next season

If they return that roster intact and there are no significant injuries, that team wins 55+ games and gets a top four seed. Period. They might flame out in the playoffs again, but they'll go to work and do what they have to do during the regular season.

If the Mavs start treating the regular season "like the Spurs do," then that means 55+ wins and a top four seed.

Nobody here has a clue what is going on inside these guys heads and how they'll respond to Golden State. Stop pretending otherwise.

[thispego]

If they return that roster intact and there are no significant injuries, that team wins 55+ games and gets a top four seed. Period. They might flame out in the playoffs again, but they'll go to work and do what they have to do during the regular season.

If the Mavs start treating the regular season "like the Spurs do," then that means 55+ wins and a top four seed.

Nobody here has a clue what is going on inside these guys heads and how they'll respond to Golden State. Stop pretending otherwise.

that is the SPURS regular season formula, it works for the SPURS, Pop has been trying to figure it out for years now. Now Avery thinks he can just snap his fingers and recreate the same success as the Spurs? Yeah Right. Two different teams, Avery's gonna have to figure out hiw own way to get it done. I think the constant change of strategies is going to start rubbing the players the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, i'm not pretending like im a sports psychologist that is inside the mav's heads... but i'm just trying to interpret the signs

[BeerIsGood!]

I don't think the Mavs should be treating the regular season like the Spurs. That works for the Spurs (and also worked for the Lakers in 2001 and 2002) - because the roster is filled with veteran players with tons of championship experience. The Spurs know how to win championships come April, so they can afford to pace themselves. The Mavs are not in that same boat, and this past season completely regressed in the playoffs. I think they are still in the position of having to find out who will step up in the playoffs instead of knowing who will step up in the playoffs.

[thispego]

i lay the blame on avery for being too emotional of a coach

[Extra Stout]

I don't know what you Mavs fans want. Dirk is on the list for new testicles, but they have to wait for a donor. Be patient.

[BUMP]

I don't think the Mavs should be treating the regular season like the Spurs. That works for the Spurs (and also worked for the Lakers in 2001 and 2002) - because the roster is filled with veteran players with tons of championship experience. The Spurs know how to win championships come April, so they can afford to pace themselves. The Mavs are not in that same boat, and this past season completely regressed in the playoffs. I think they are still in the position of having to find out who will step up in the playoffs instead of knowing who will step up in the playoffs.

thats true.

i still dont think the Mavs should burn out in the reg. season. the fact of the matter is that before the playoffs, they hadnt played a big game in three months and probably were getting bored. then all of a sudden when the games counted they werent ready. and then they got frustrated after the GS game 1 victory

[Findog]

Now Avery thinks he can just snap his fingers and recreate the same success as the Spurs? Yeah Right

Considering Don Nelson will never win a le because he's too attached to gimmicky offenses and centers who can do everything BUT rebound and play defense, I'd say Avery is off to a great start. Mimicking the Spurs approach of defense, defense, and more defense is a big step in the right direction. Duncan just makes things so much easier because of how complete his game is on both ends of the floor. Dirk can match 85% of his offensive impact, and Dampier/Diop can match about 75% of his defensive impact, but that's three players instead of one. The Spurs approach is light-years ahead of anything Don Nelson can do.

We're a young team. We lost our composure and poise against a more veteran team like Miami. We took the Warriors too lightly. We've already beaten a defending champ and made a Finals. That's a pretty big breakthrough. There's only one thing left to do and that's finish. If anything, burning themselves out going fifth gear in the regular season was just going too far in the right direction. Instead of coasting and taking the regular season off, they decided to play hard and give 100% effort.

I think the constant change of strategies is going to start rubbing the players the wrong way.

There is no "constant change in strategies," that went out the door with Nelson, as far as the constant trades and so forth. This thread is one Mav fan's dissatisfaction with the team being content to stay pat.

Dont get me wrong, i'm not pretending like im a sports psychologist that is inside the mav's heads... but i'm just trying to interpret the signs

Well, I apologize for calling you a moron earlier, I'm just so tired of all the "the Mavs are permanently broken and need to be broken up" talk. It's too early to say that. Next year they won't be taken seriously and won't be the favorites because they just proved how little regular season success counts come May. But it's just as premature to write this team off forever as it was when people constantly talked about how the Spurs are old. San Antonio's window of opportunity is open for another 3-4 years and so is the Mavs.

[thispego]

Considering Don Nelson will never win a le because he's too attached to gimmicky offenses and centers who can do everything BUT rebound and play defense, I'd say Avery is off to a great start. Mimicking the Spurs approach of defense, defense, and more defense is a big step in the right direction. Duncan just makes things so much easier because of how complete his game is on both ends of the floor. Dirk can match 85% of his offensive impact, and Dampier/Diop can match about 75% of his defensive impact, but that's three players instead of one. The Spurs approach is light-years ahead of anything Don Nelson can do.

We're a young team. We lost our composure and poise against a more veteran team like Miami. We took the Warriors too lightly. We've already beaten a defending champ and made a Finals. That's a pretty big breakthrough. There's only one thing left to do and that's finish. If anything, burning themselves out going fifth gear in the regular season was just going too far in the right direction. Instead of coasting and taking the regular season off, they decided to play hard and give 100% effort.



There is no "constant change in strategies," that went out the door with Nelson, as far as the constant trades and so forth. This thread is one Mav fan's dissatisfaction with the team being content to stay pat.



Well, I apologize for calling you a moron earlier, I'm just so tired of all the "the Mavs are permanently broken and need to be broken up" talk. It's too early to say that. Next year they won't be taken seriously and won't be the favorites because they just proved how little regular season success counts come May. But it's just as premature to write this team off forever as it was when people constantly talked about how the Spurs are old. San Antonio's window of opportunity is open for another 3-4 years and so is the Mavs.

constant change of strategies = lineup change for GAME 1 vs GW, devin harris/jason terry who's the starter?, Going all out and achieving franchise record in wins one year, slow it done and grind out the regular season the next, etc.. Noone is saying they're irreparably broken... just broken, they need a little maintenance and repair, be it with their roster or just their egos.

[thispego]

Considering Don Nelson will never win a le because he's too attached to gimmicky offenses and centers who can do everything BUT rebound and play defense, I'd say Avery is off to a great start. Mimicking the Spurs approach of defense, defense, and more defense is a big step in the right direction. Duncan just makes things so much easier because of how complete his game is on both ends of the floor. Dirk can match 85% of his offensive impact, and Dampier/Diop can match about 75% of his defensive impact, but that's three players instead of one. The Spurs approach is light-years ahead of anything Don Nelson can do.

We're a young team. We lost our composure and poise against a more veteran team like Miami. We took the Warriors too lightly. We've already beaten a defending champ and made a Finals. That's a pretty big breakthrough. There's only one thing left to do and that's finish. If anything, burning themselves out going fifth gear in the regular season was just going too far in the right direction. Instead of coasting and taking the regular season off, they decided to play hard and give 100% effort.



There is no "constant change in strategies," that went out the door with Nelson, as far as the constant trades and so forth. This thread is one Mav fan's dissatisfaction with the team being content to stay pat.



Well, I apologize for calling you a moron earlier, I'm just so tired of all the "the Mavs are permanently broken and need to be broken up" talk. It's too early to say that. Next year they won't be taken seriously and won't be the favorites because they just proved how little regular season success counts come May. But it's just as premature to write this team off forever as it was when people constantly talked about how the Spurs are old. San Antonio's window of opportunity is open for another 3-4 years and so is the Mavs.

If that same sentiment is still circulating through the dallas lockerroom then there is more to worry about than you think. The Mavs BARELY beat the Spurs in that series. be honest, where did your testicles hide when Ginobili hit that three to put us up by 3 before his STUPID foul on dirkin game 7?> that series was wayyyy too close for you to take any amount of confidence in being able to repeat given the same situation. But, yes, still a breakthrough.

[Brutalis]

this is some bull . they really don't think that this team needs some improvements in vital areas? ing idiots.

We've been saying they're ing idiots for years man. Finally you see.