About Jordan/Kobe "who is better" topics...

**Kamnik** · 09-10-2008

There were quite some in the past...

I just finished reading article about MJ´s career on wikipedia and all I can say that people who even dared comparing these 2 are on crack!

I was too young to follow his best days so i was not fully aware of all he achieved and the way he did it.

And for the record... im not a Kobe hater; I like watching him play.

p.s.

48 days until the start of the season...

**PM5K** · 09-10-2008

How old are you?

**Kamnik** · 09-10-2008

23.

Well more than age, the main problem was that I could not watch NBA games anywhere back then.

Anyways.... after reading through of that article I imidiately remembered how some people here on ST (yeah... laker fans mostly) were making a case for Kobe.

**Allanon** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by Kamnik

23.

Well more than age, the main problem was that I could not watch NBA games anywhere back then.

Anyways.... after reading through of that article I imidiately remembered how some people here on ST (yeah... laker fans mostly) were making a case for Kobe.

Nah, as far as I know, none of us Laker fans have ever said that Kobe > Jordan. However, since Kobe's career is not yet done, we don't know if Kobe will ever > Jordan. I suppose we'll know the answer in the next 6-8 years.

So maybe some day Kobe > Jordan but today is not that day.

**Kamnik** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by Allanon

Nah, as far as I know, none of us Laker fans have ever said that Kobe > Jordan. However, since Kobe's career is not yet done, we don't know if Kobe will ever > Jordan. I suppose we'll know the answer in the next 6-8 years.

So maybe some day Kobe > Jordan but today is not that day.

Well I did not want to generalise all laker fans. Obviously you do not all think/write the same things.

But I clearly remember some did say Kobe>Jordan.

**stretch** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by Allanon

Nah, as far as I know, none of us Laker fans have ever said that Kobe > Jordan. However, since Kobe's career is not yet done, we don't know if Kobe will ever > Jordan. I suppose we'll know the answer in the next 6-8 years.

Lakeshow has before. Then again, hes a rockets fan... so yeah.

So maybe some day Kobe > Jordan but today is not that day.

No, he won't. After losing two NBA finals, I think he pretty much lost any chance of being considered as truly a better player than Jordan. He still needs at least 3 more rings, and 4 more MVPs before he can be considered greater. Neither is likely to happen.

**JamStone** · 09-10-2008

Jordan was the greatest player ever. It's his combination of natural talent, polished skill, work ethic, will to win, championship success, and individual success that make any comparison with any other player moot.

However, in terms of individual skill and talent, there have been players that are in the same discussion as him, and Kobe is one of them. Doesn't mean Kobe is anywhere as good as Jordan when you consider other factors. But, guys like Kobe, Oscar Robertson, and Elgin Baylor are in the discussion when you talk about being at a similar level in terms of individual talent. Even the biggest Kobe riders know Kobe doesn't touch Michael. But, since Michael retired, no other player has come closer to Jordan than Kobe has. And, that's why some people draw the comparison.

**stretch** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by JamStone

Jordan was the greatest player ever. It's his combination of natural talent, polished skill, work ethic, will to win, championship success, and individual success that make any comparison with any other player moot.

However, in terms of individual skill and talent, there have been players that are in the same discussion as him, and Kobe is one of them. Doesn't mean Kobe is anywhere as good as Jordan when you consider other factors. But, guys like Lebron, Kobe, Oscar Robertson, and Elgin Baylor are in the discussion when you talk about being at a similar level in terms of individual talent. Even the biggest Kobe riders know Kobe doesn't touch Michael. But, since Michael retired, no other player has come closer to Jordan than Kobe has. And, that's why some people draw the comparison.

Good post. You just forgot to also include your hated Lebron, so I fixed it for you. You can also include T-Mac (whom I personally think is more talented and gifted than Kobe and Jordan both, and while some may think im nuts, I think its even arguable that he is the most talented player we have ever seen, but injuries/ ty teams held him back from showcasing them considerably)

**Kamnik** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by stretch

Good post. You just forgot to also include your hated Lebron, so I fixed it for you. You can also include T-Mac (whom I personally think is more talented and gifted than Kobe and Jordan both, and while some may think im nuts, I think its even arguable that he is the most talented player we have ever seen, but injuries/ ty teams held him back from showcasing them considerably)

I agree. T-mac is crazy talented... Maybe more than Kobe; dont know about Jordan though.

**TheMadHatter** · 09-10-2008

On offense T-mac and Kobe are probably comparable. On defense though, Kobe clearly outshines him. In terms of killer instinct and will to win (i.e. the intangibles) Kobe again wins.

It's not really a comparison.

**IronMexican** · 09-10-2008

Jordan>Kobe.

**JamStone** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by stretch

Good post. You just forgot to also include your hated Lebron, so I fixed it for you. You can also include T-Mac (whom I personally think is more talented and gifted than Kobe and Jordan both, and while some may think im nuts, I think its even arguable that he is the most talented player we have ever seen, but injuries/ ty teams held him back from showcasing them considerably)

Jesus Christ, didn't your crack about me being a LeBron hater die the last time you said that when I showed you how I posted that LeBron's 29 of 30 point game against the Pistons in the 2007 ECF was a greater performance that Kobe's 81 point game? I don't know where you get your misguided notion or why you follow my posts with that . Don't even know where it comes from.

Yes, LeBron belongs in the discussion. I didn't mention every single player that's in the discussion of those players who are among the most talented ever. It wasn't an exhaustive list. I didn't include Wilt Chamberlain or Julius Erving or Hakeem either.

LeBron is the most naturally talented player currently in the NBA. I even think he's a better player than Kobe right now. Keep calling me a LeBron hater, you jackass.

**IronMexican** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by JamStone

Jesus Christ, didn't your crack about me being a LeBron hater die the last time you said that when I showed you how I posted that LeBron's 29 of 30 point game against the Pistons in the 2007 ECF was a greater performance that Kobe's 81 point game? I don't know where you get your misguided notion or why you follow my posts with that . Don't even know where it comes from.

Yes, LeBron belongs in the discussion. I didn't mention every single player that's in the discussion of those players who are among the most talented ever. It wasn't an exhaustive list. I didn't include Wilt Chamberlain or Julius Erving or Hakeem either.

LeBron is the most naturally talented player currently in the NBA. I even think he's a better player than Kobe right now. Keep calling me a LeBron hater, you jackass.

look at thos LeBron hater. It's unbelievable.

**LakeShow** · 09-10-2008

[quote=stretch;2761800]Lakeshow has before. Then again, hes a rockets fan... so yeah.
quote]

Link?

You provide a link where I said that and I'l provide a link where you said, Dirk>>>Duncan.

**stretch** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter

On offense T-mac and Kobe are probably comparable. On defense though, Kobe clearly outshines him. In terms of killer instinct and will to win (i.e. the intangibles) Kobe again wins.

It's not really a comparison.

thats great but we werent comparing killer instinct and will to win. and on defense, when he plays his best defense, T-Mac is just as good of a defender as kobe, if not better.

your reading comprehension seriously sucks

**stretch** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by JamStone

Jesus Christ, didn't your crack about me being a LeBron hater die the last time you said that when I showed you how I posted that LeBron's 29 of 30 point game against the Pistons in the 2007 ECF was a greater performance that Kobe's 81 point game? I don't know where you get your misguided notion or why you follow my posts with that . Don't even know where it comes from.

Yes, LeBron belongs in the discussion. I didn't mention every single player that's in the discussion of those players who are among the most talented ever. It wasn't an exhaustive list. I didn't include Wilt Chamberlain or Julius Erving or Hakeem either.

LeBron is the most naturally talented player currently in the NBA. I even think he's a better player than Kobe right now. Keep calling me a LeBron hater, you jackass.

dude i was just joking with you.

**stretch** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by LakeShow

Link?

You provide a link where I said that and I'l provide a link where you said, Dirk>>>Duncan.

1. you fail at quoting.

2. it was a joke. well, the "saying kobe is greater than jordan" part anyways, although you did say that he will eventually be the GOAT.

3. you are a rockets fan.

**Obstructed_View** · 09-10-2008

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter

On offense Kobe and Jordan are probably comparable. On defense though, Jordan clearly outshines him. In terms of killer instinct and will to win (i.e. the intangibles) Jordan again wins.

It's not really a comparison.

Hey, that works too!