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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Then explain this quote:

    "He can effectively do what he needs to do by phone… He’s calling members on both sides, talking to people in the administration, helping out as he can." — Senior campaign advisor Mark Salter on why John McCain has kept to his Arlington, Va., campaign headquarters today.
    The subject is a rhetorical question, but feel free to commence myopic discussion below.

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    I think the whole thing was done just to piss off Letterman.

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    Jeez, John -- at least pretend you give a and drive a couple of miles.

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    I think the whole thing was done just to piss off Letterman.
    Probably. Did provide some good entertainment at least. "John, Do you need a ride to the airport?" will go down as one of the funnier moments of the campaign season regardless of the outcome.

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    Do you think it made more people watch the debate?

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    Do you think it made more people watch the debate?
    Since the ratings were meh, I doubt it. I think it might lose McCain some support in a close race.

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    Do you think it made more people watch the debate?
    Thats a good question. Its tough to say how many people would have watched it prior to the stunt. I honestly don't know. I tend to think it didn't have a large effect, but I can't say for sure.

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    Thats a good question. Its tough to say how many people would have watched it prior to the stunt. I honestly don't know. I tend to think it didn't have a large effect, but I can't say for sure.
    It appears the viewership was "average."

    McCain-Obama debate pulls average early rating

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    It saved McCain some monmey while getting him free pub, but it was so transparently cynical and disingenuous even someone like Yoni could see it.

    He'll deny it with every fiber of his being, but he can see it.

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    It was too tactical and defensive to garner huge ratings. Don't get me wrong, it was good fundamental debating and you have to respect that, but the people want to see a more of a show.

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    The simple fact that he opened himself up to the question of whether it was political grandstanding makes the move a political mistake. The only thing he can possibly say is, "hey I was there, I took action"....which ain't much.

    Still, despite all of his political gaffes over the past few weeks there's no doubt that this election will go down to the wire. I wonder if people actually think it's a positive that he's such a bad politician.

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    The simple fact that he opened himself up to the question of whether it was political grandstanding makes the move a political mistake. The only thing he can possibly say is, "hey I was there, I took action"....which ain't much.

    Still, despite all of his political gaffes over the past few weeks there's no doubt that this election will go down to the wire. I wonder if people actually think it's a positive that he's such a bad politician.
    I don't think it will be that close. I think Obama is pulling away from here on out.

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    I don't think it will be that close. I think Obama is pulling away from here on out.

    Any democrat with a pulse who's vehemently anti-war should win easily with our economy in shambles and a very unpopular in bent president. , most conservatives will admit to you that they're only luke warm on McCain.

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    Any democrat with a pulse who's vehemently anti-war should win easily with our economy in shambles and a very unpopular in bent president. , most conservatives will admit to you that they're only luke warm on McCain.
    Well Obama is still black. So it won't be as much as a runaway as it would be otherwise.

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    I don't think it will be that close. I think Obama is pulling away from here on out.
    Ehh...maybe. Since the prevailing topic at this point is the economy you could very well be right, but it depends on how each campaign frames the argument.

    I think McCain is still stumbling around what his message should be, but the debate could be a decent starting point.

    If it were me, I would hammer Obama at the next debate about the proposed $800B in increased government spending and passing on another trillion dollars of debt to your children. I'd ask him if he plans on making up for even the $800B, let alone the other $700B he'll likely inherit, by taxing only 5% of the wealthiest Americans. I'd simply say it doesn't add up.

    I'd stress that I was the one who actually wants to CUT government spending (especially the wasteful kind) and work toward decreasing the burden placed on our children and children's children.

    He may never be able to stick those points and may end up losing this election, but I'm still of the opinion that it won't be a large margin of victory if he does.

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    Well Obama is still black. So it won't be as much as a runaway as it would be otherwise.
    I don't think it's so much about the Bradley effect, though I still think it'll play a part...sadly.

    I think it has more to do with his top demographics being young and minority voters. Now, I hope I'm proven wrong and these two groups are energized and come out in big numbers as they have in the primary...but history is on the other side of it.

    And when I say I hope I'm wrong...I'm being sincere. I think everyone who is eligible to vote should make their voice heard...whether I agree with it or not.

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    Whatever racism exists is already reflected in the polls. It doesn't make sense to tell a pollster you're voting for Barack Obama and then turn around and vote for McCain. A racist isn't likely to vote for a Democrat anyways, and they can always come up with a rationale for why they're voting FOR McCain. There's enough cover.

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    Whatever racism exists is already reflected in the polls. It doesn't make sense to tell a pollster you're voting for Barack Obama and then turn around and vote for McCain. A racist isn't likely to vote for a Democrat anyways, and they can always come up with a rationale for why they're voting FOR McCain. There's enough cover.
    You're thinking about this logically, when there is no logic to be applied. Some people go into that ballot box with one intention and come out with a different result. Call it a gut-feel or whatever you want.

    Whatever it is...it certainly isn't logical.

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    The bradley efffect has been debunked quite a bit by various sources. If McCain supporters are counting on that for a victory they're in for an unpleasant surprise.

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    You're thinking about this logically, when there is no logic to be applied. Some people go into that ballot box with one intention and come out with a different result. Call it a gut-feel or whatever you want.

    Whatever it is...it certainly isn't logical.
    I've heard that too. I don't think that makes sense. This election reminds me of 1992, when there was a big emphasis on issues, economic issues in particular. I believe people are going to vote their pocketbooks in this election.

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    Yeah but Obama isn't Bill Clinton. He had NO answer on the most important issue up for debate last night.

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    I have actually read that polling numbers may under-represent Obama's support because most are still done with land lines only, and many young voters- who would be more likely to vote for Obama and less interested in race- do not have land lines.

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    Oh ok.

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    I have actually read that polling numbers may under-represent Obama's support because they most are still done with land lines only, and many young voters- who would be more likely to vote for Obama and less interested in race- do not have land lines.
    The cell phone effect has been guaged at anywhere between 1-3%. In a close election this is huge.

    Also, in some polls AA turnout is underrepresented, so he may get more votes there.

    All in all he's a great shape right now.

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    The bradley efffect has been debunked quite a bit by various sources. If McCain supporters are counting on that for a victory they're in for an unpleasant surprise.
    I'm not directly attributing the ballot-box scenario to race. I knew a guy that was going to vote Kerry during the primary in '04 because he was on his way to being the presumptive nominee, but he got into the ballot box and switched to John Edwards, who he had initially backed.

    A white guy switching his vote from one white guy to another white guy.

    Again, for any number of reasons known only to the person in that box, they go in with one intention and come out with a different result. It happens.

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