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    My is bunk. I got red lights on the left side, and one red light on the bottom of the right side. My friend says this is a common problem with the XBox and that Microsoft almost did a recall on them but instead offer a 4 year support thing for them to send you a new one or repair the one you got. Is that true?

    I tried to Google the problem and found little hints to try and fix it but they didn't work. I'm trying to figure out if I'm just screwed here or if Microsoft will fix this . Anyone know?

    I have the core system, no hard drive. I use memory cards. Was cheaper and my game play is not extensive.

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    Three of the lights on the Ring of Light on the front of your Xbox 360 console flash red
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    Article ID : 907534
    Last Review : July 23, 2008
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    SYMPTOMS
    Three lights flash red on the Ring of Light (RoL) on the front of your Xbox 360 console. The upper-right quadrant light is the only light that does not flash red.

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    CAUSE
    The three flashing red lights may indicate that there is a hardware problem with your Xbox 360 console.

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    MORE INFORMATION
    If you are experiencing this problem, you can submit a console-repair request online. However, before you submit your request, first try the following two steps to verify the problem:
    1. When you turn on the console, look at the light on the power supply. The power supply light should illuminate green even if the three lights on the Ring of Light flash red. If the power supply light is not green, please follow the steps in one of the following Microsoft Knowledge Base articles:

    906101 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906101/) Troubleshooting your Xbox 360 Power Supply when the light is red

    906102 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906102/) Troubleshooting your Xbox 360 Power Supply when the light is orange

    906103 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906103/) Troubleshooting your Xbox 360 Power Supply when the light is not illuminated

    2. Turn off the console. Wait 10 seconds, and then turn on the console again to see whether the problem re-occurs.

    If your console continues to display three flashing red lights, your console may have to be repaired. For more information about how to start the repair process online, please visit http://www.xbox.com/support (http://www.xbox.com/support), and then click Repair your console in the upper-right part of the Web page.

    Note Online console repair service is currently not available in all countries and regions.
    If you want to instead contact Xbox Customer Support directly, please visit http://www.xbox.com/support/contact (http://www.xbox.com/support/contact) for information about how to do this.
    That's the best I can do. I had an issue with mine where all 4 corners were flashing, and their suggestions fixed the problem. However, it looks like those lights do indicate an actual hardware issue, so that may be what it comes down to.

    Bummer, bro. I know those are like little red lights of doom when they come on.

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    MS extended warranties to 3 years on all X360s, so call their tech support at 1-800-4-MY-XBOX to have it replaced.

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    MS extended warranties to 3 years on all X360s, so call their tech support at 1-800-4-MY-XBOX to have it replaced.
    I can't. I don't have it registered. I got it through Rent-A-Center a few years ago before I started working. It didn't come with the box or anything.

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    I just registered my stuff and it says "# Warranty Status: Out of Warranty"

    Go figure....

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    How is that possible considering the 360 hasn't even been out for 3 years?

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    This is what you get for making that ridiculously hard guessing game for that Manu card.

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    I just registered my stuff and it says "# Warranty Status: Out of Warranty"

    Go figure....
    They told you to off on the phone? I'd keep calling and ing. Anything other than the 3 red rings of death isn't covered after year 1, but the 3 red rings are covered until at the earliest November 22, 2008 (assuming it was bought on launch date). The extended warranty is also retroactive on any X360 purchased before it was offered.

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    This is what you get for making that ridiculously hard guessing game for that Manu card.
    Yeah I'm doing a different contest for the card, an easier one probably.


    How is that possible considering the 360 hasn't even been out for 3 years?
    That's what I asked them on the phone just now, they said for my issue they will repair it for free and UPS is coming by Monday to drop of the box to put it in. They are covering shipping and all repairs.


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    Straight from the horse's mouth

    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/sy...antyupdate.htm
    Expanded Xbox 360 Warranty Coverage FAQ

    Q: What are you rolling out that is new?
    A: While we maintain our one-year console warranty (two years in some countries), Microsoft is extending the terms of its Xbox 360 warranty to three years for certain general hardware failures which are indicated by three flashing red lights on the console. This will apply to new and existing customers and we will retroactively pay back the out-of-warranty repair costs paid by customers for console problems indicated by the three flashing red lights.

    Q: How does this warranty differ from your existing warranty?
    A: Currently, any Xbox 360 is covered by a one year manufacturer’s warranty (two years in some parts of the world). If the console is out of warranty, there is a charge to have it repaired. It then comes with an additional one year repair warranty. With these changes, there is effectively a three year warranty with no charge for repair for general hardware failures indicated by the three flashing red lights error code which displays on the console.

    Q: Is this effective worldwide?
    A: Yes, these policies are global. The new policies are now being ins uted in our customer service centers around the world, which may take a few days to fully implement.


    Q: When does the policy change go into effect?
    A: These new policies are now being ins uted in our customer service centers around the world, which may take a few days to fully implement. They will apply to new and existing customers. For the latest information, customers should visit Xbox.com.

    Q: Is there any health or safety issue at play here?
    A: This is in no way related to any sort of product safety issue.

    Q: Do I get a refund?
    A: Yes, we will reimburse any customer who was out of warranty and paid for repairs due issues indicated by the three flashing red lights error message. Customer should expect to receive a check in 10-12 weeks.

    Q: How does this affect my extended warranty bought from my retailer?
    A: You’re still covered under your existing warranty for issues outside the scope of this specific three-year warranty.

    Q: Have you identified a root cause that can lead to failure?
    A: There is not a single issue that we can point to as being a problem. We test the product extensively, including accelerated life testing, but the nature of the console itself is very complex, as it’s a consumer electronic product that contains more than 1,700 different components and 500 million transistors.

    There are a variety of scenarios that can cause a general hardware failure. Only the indicator (the three flashing red lights) is always the same.

    Q: Who do I contact with further questions?
    A: Please contact your local Xbox Customer Service (1-800-4-MY-XBOX in the US and Canada).

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    Yup baseline they are going to fix it for free.

    And she said check my email for the UPS shipping label and Microsoft's email. And guess what... I HAVE NO ING EMAIL. Ugh.

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    Dude, the failure rate on those first generation X360s is freaking 33%!!

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    I wish they would just send me a new one. This one is beat up pretty bad

    I'm wondering if I should call them and be put on hold again for 20 mins to tell them I got no email, or wait it out.

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    Yup baseline they are going to fix it for free.

    And she said check my email for the UPS shipping label and Microsoft's email. And guess what... I HAVE NO ING EMAIL. Ugh.
    When I got mine fixed they included the pre-paid UPS label inside the box. It'll probably be out 2 weeks to a month or so, but you get a one month XBox Live gold card to make up for all the hassle.

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    I wish they would just send me a new one. This one is beat up pretty bad

    I'm wondering if I should call them and be put on hold again for 20 mins to tell them I got no email, or wait it out.
    You're almost certain to get a different XBox back. I sent mine in to fix a drive that wasn't opening, and they shipped me a different 360 instead of fixing the dvd drive on my otherwise perfect second-generation system.


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    I bought my 360 a month ago. all this worries me for mine.

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    I bought my 360 a month ago. all this worries me for mine.
    Don't worry. If you bought it a month ago yours is a new generation and has all the bug fixes.

    When I got mine fixed they included the pre-paid UPS label inside the box. It'll probably be out 2 weeks to a month or so, but you get a one month XBox Live gold card to make up for all the hassle.
    Well the Arab girl on the phone said I have to check my email and print the shipping label sent by UPS and tape it to the box UPS sends me. Weird.

    You're almost certain to get a different XBox back. I sent mine in to fix a drive that wasn't opening, and they shipped me a different 360 instead of fixing the dvd drive on my otherwise perfect second-generation system.

    Well mine is first generation I believe. It's old, beat up, dusty.. and like I mentioned above I don't have the hard drive cause I don't play that often and use memory cards instead.

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    Smart people buy PS3

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    Smart people buy PS3

    who knows, brutalis may want some good online play.

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    who knows, brutalis may want some good online play.
    I have to admit online gaming is better with the 360

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    Smart people buy PS3
    People who want acceptable frame rates and less buggy games buy XBox360.

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    I have to admit online gaming is better with the 360
    I have both, and the 360 is a lot better imo. I like being able to talk to a friend while I play madden and he's on Fifa

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    This article rips MS a new one. Even so, I'm still using my launch 360 and even if it dies I'll buy another one instead of a PS3. I would get the playstation except, y'know, besides MGS I'm not sure they've exclusively released any games for it that are worth playing. Too bad- the good console has games and the console has great games. in' copyright laws.

    http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xb...-console-woes/
    When his fourth Xbox 360 video game console died in April, Chris Szarek wasn’t surprised.

    The Chicopee, Mass. gamer was accustomed to the hardware failures that became known throughout the Internet as RROD, or the “red rings of death” which flash when the console becomes inoperable.

    A 40-year-old photographer, Szarek was a hardcore Microsoft fan who spent more than $1,000 on his games. But each time one of his Xbox 360 consoles failed, he had to spend time convincing Microsoft’s tech support that they should send him a new console. Each time he got a refurbished console as a replacement (a machine that had been returned to a repair center in Texas, fixed as much as possible, and then shipped back out). When he complained on the Internet and to the media about the shoddy product and poor customer service, people branded him a cry baby and wrote him off as a statistical anomaly. But by the spring of 2008, Szarek was vindicated. There were at least a million or two other people like him.

    Szarek’s fourth machine lasted almost two years, experiencing the same short life that many other Xbox 360s suffered. Microsoft replaced these machines for free under the warranty that it announced on July 5, 2007, for defective Xbox 360s exhibiting what it more politely called the “three flashing red lights.” That warranty program cost Microsoft up to $1.15 billion, but the loss of face and loyalty among gamers in the fierce console war with Nintendo and Sony has been immeasurable. Szarek, who became a spokesman for dispossessed defective Xbox 360 owners, played a part in making Microsoft acknowledge its console quality problem.

    This is the unauthorized tale of how Microsoft lost its chance to become the leader in the biggest market it has attacked beyond its twin monopolies in Office and Windows software. Rival game console maker Nintendo out-thought the larger players Microsoft and Sony by designing the Wii game console with a clever, intuitive game controller. Even so, Microsoft could have captured more gamers during this product generation, yet the RROD problem held it back. The Xbox 360’s defect problem will go down as one of the worst snafus in consumer electronics history.

    Its own worst enemy

    Microsoft knew it had flawed machines, but it did not delay its launch because it believed the quality problems would subside over time. With each new machine, the company figured it would ride the “learning curve,” or continuously improve its production. Even though Microsoft’s leaders knew their quality wasn’t top notch, they did not ensure that resources were in place to handle returns and quickly debug bad consoles. There were plenty of warning signs, but the company chose to ignore them. The different parts of the business weren’t aligned.

    It reminds me of the German war machine just before World War I, as chronicled by Barbara Tuchman in the classic history book, “The Guns of August.” The German generals were intent on keeping their trains on time; but the leaders overlooked their chances for stopping the war altogether. The Schlieffen plan called for them to strike first. Once the Russians and French mobilized, the Germans had to move into action. They marched off blindly into tragedy.

    Likewise, Microsoft’s strategy depended on beating its rivals to market. It couldn’t afford to stop and delay the launch in order to solve its quality problems, or so upper management believed. What Microsoft’s leaders didn’t realize was that getting to market first with a flawed machine would only win them a battle; and it risked the loss of the war.

    “They got enamored with the idea of the Microsoft army rolling everything out at the same time,” said one knowledgeable source who asked not to be identified.

    The quality problem negated much of the advantage of going first, and it has delayed the company’s plan to aggressively market the console and slash its prices. (Microsoft disputes this point; it cut the price of all three versions of its Xbox consoles by $50 to $79 on Wednesday. And the company believes it will sell more boxes than Sony will. But prices ought to be lower still during this stage of the console life cycle). That has stopped the company from reaching the broader market of consumers that Nintendo has won over. It has lowered its ambitions, hoping instead just to get a clear edge on third-placed Sony. The future profits that the company once hoped for are now likely to wind up in Nintendo’s pockets.

    Microsoft’s top game executive, Robbie Bach, president of the Entertainment & Devices group, said at a dinner in July that Microsoft’s own research shows that gamers have largely forgiven the company for defective Xbox 360s. Microsoft has still sold more Xbox 360 consoles than Sony to date. But there is no doubt that the company has lost considerable good will among gamers. Before Microsoft offered free replacements, connsumers grumbled that they had to turn to forums, such as those on Ars Technica, to vent and to find solutions to problems that the company didn’t openly discuss. And for a couple of months now, Sony’s PlayStation 3 has been outselling the Xbox 360 in the U.S. for the first time.

    “Fundamentally, their thinking shows that they are a software company at heart,” said one veteran manufacturing executive. “They put something out and figure they can fix it with the next patch or come up with a bug fix.”

    The terrifying part of the story is that this kind of problem — where technology fails and no one knows what to do about it — can happen to any company.

    About this story

    I asked Microsoft to confirm or deny 35 different facts contained in this story. Instead, I received a formal statement from a Microsoft spokesperson, saying the company had already acknowledged an “unacceptable number of repairs” to Xbox 360 consoles and responded to the hardware failures with a free replacement program. The statement also said, “This topic has already been covered extensively in the media. This new story repeats old information, and contains rumors and innuendo from anonymous sources, attempting to create a new sensational angle, and is highly irresponsible.”

    I don’t think this story is sensational. I have tried to verify the facts over several years. I view this story as the last chapter for my book on the making of the Xbox 360, “The Xbox 360 Uncloaked: The Real Story Behind Microsoft’s Next-Generation Video Game Console.”

    The facts revealed themselves slowly, emerging from the day-to-day stories that I wrote about the game business. Some people might consider this post mortem to be ancient history. But the reverberations are still playing out today. They help explain why Microsoft isn’t being aggressive with its price cuts and why gamers aren’t getting bargains on hardware as they did the last generation. While I talked to many people for this story, few were willing to let me use their names. As you will see, not every source is anonymous, and we have included the viewpoint of Microsoft executives from past interviews.

    The details are interesting because they offer a deeper look into how the console business runs than is otherwise available. Microsoft, for instance, still hasn’t perfected its Xbox 360 manufacturing process. In the absence of a precise chronology from Microsoft, some anonymous sources have tried to describe what happened. But the history of the decision making and inside story of what happened on the RROD has never been told, until now.

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    Ina world of hype, we win IronMexican's Avatar
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    This article rips MS a new one. Even so, I'm still using my launch 360 and even if it dies I'll buy another one instead of a PS3. I would get the playstation except, y'know, besides MGS I'm not sure they've exclusively released any games for it that are worth playing. Too bad- the good console has games and the console has great games. in' copyright laws.

    http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xb...-console-woes/
    Think about how often that happens. Xbox was superior to ps2, but ps2 had all the good games. psp was way better than DS, but DS has all the games. and now it happens again.

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    People who want acceptable frame rates and less buggy games buy XBox360.
    That's BS

    And I had a 360

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