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Phil tried Puke Walton Yesterday so he might try Odom but its not our SF that are getting burn its the our PG, Fisher is showing his age, and Farmar does not know the meaning of Defense, his defense is even worst than Nash
Yes the offense will likely suffer, but do the Lakers have any other options at this point but to at least try it out?
Defensively a LOT of holes would get plugged up right away. Odom may not be the quickest SF but he is definitely the tallest and longest. He could play off his man quite a bit and force them to make the outside shot. I don't imagine rebounding would ever be an issue either.
Phil tried Puke Walton Yesterday so he might try Odom but its not our SF that are getting burn its the our PG, Fisher is showing his age, and Farmar does not know the meaning of Defense, his defense is even worst than Nash
Trade him. That's you're answer.
no, i think they need him to step up and be more of a leader on the second unit i think the hardest working one on there is Ariza right now. odom needs to step it up.. him comming off the bench makes a hard time for other benches to handle and can help gain momemtum over other 2nd units. plus the first unit can spread the floor with him not on it.
I would consider this: Bench Fisher and give Farmar the minutes. Derek will be ok with this, he yielded to Payton in 03/04. This way, Farmar is groomed along with the first unit and Fisher helps anchor the second along with Odom.
the farmar and fisher switch would work great imo fisher can make people around him better(2nd unit), farmar doesnt need to, but can still play with the first unit fine.
Point guard defense is a problem, and it really shows when it's a scoring point guard rather than a pass-first point guard. I think this is the reason why Sun Yue isn't with the D-Fenders. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sun with some burn soon if this keeps up.
As for Odom, he played well last night despite the mediocre point output. Putting him back in as a starter will work as he's a good help defender...something that Radman is not. But I think his role leading the bench mob is more vital.
We're 18-3........
I mean, the only way they could not have traded for Odom yet is if they are planning on tanking the season.
/allanon
I don't think Bonner is the answer to the Center dilemna in San Antonio. I think it will take until February until that is really shown.
Some Laker fans under value the impact of Odom and think Shawn Marion is a better deal.
Explain his value, other then being a security plan in case one of the big fellas go down
His unselfishness leads to plays that motivate the team. Odom is by far the best passer on the team. His passes are extremely accurate.
Even on that play where he threw the ball to Sasha on the bench, it hit Sasha right in the hands without Sasha even having to move his feet or his hands.
Defense, hustle and timely runs. Odom makes other players better.
It's easy to overlook Odom because he doesn't score much, but he impacts the game moreso than anybody other than Kobe.
Why else do you think Odom is ALWAYS in the game during crunch-time? Philip's not stupid, he knows Odom's impact, that is why Philip always puts Odom in during crunch-time.
Anytime the Lakers go on a run, you can be assured Odom is on the court.
God damn are you high?
No team can win a championship with LO playing significant minutes.
I'm not as crazy as you think. Odom makes the other players better at the expense of his own stats.
I just saw an interesting stat on another site, I had no idea I was that much on the money:
Code:2008/2009 Season Lakers +/- Playr +/- PerMin Minutes Kobe 195 0.27 715:00:00 Odom 184 0.34 537:41:00 Fish 158 0.27 579:31:00 PauG 150 0.20 732:28:00 Drew 143 0.23 616:09:00 Trev 128 0.25 505:09:00 Vlad 108 0.25 429:58:00 Farm 74 0.17 425:35:00 Sash 43 0.14 311:37:00
I'm just saying it in the same sense you did. We have 3 all stars, the best PF of all time, a team that challenged your very Lakers last WCF, and you act like because we don't have athletic big men we should tank the whole season.
I mean seriously, its the same thing, difference being injuries to the spurs early on (Spurs started 17-3 last season so you can't rule out our positions would be much closer). You need better defensive PG (and overall D) or a true 3rd option (Bynum doesnt count and Odom isn't cutting it).
Your only choice? Tank.
Only if they meet the Lakers in the first round. No disrespect to your Spurs but your lack of quality big men pretty much assures a first round exit. Duncan is 6'11, the rest of the guys are 6'10 or less. While the Lakers have four 7 footers, and two 6'10 guys. The size and talent disadvantage is too much. I would say even the 3rd string Center Chris Mihm is better than Bonner/KT/Oberto.
I agree you have 3 All-Star players, one of whom is the best PF of all time. However, after that, the talent gap is significant.
You'd be better off getting a lotto pick.
But if you can avoid the first round matchup with the Lakers, I think you should go for it.
I want a first round matchup. It doesn't scare me oncesoever.
That said, Spurs may still attain the number 1 seed. Theres 60+ games left, and you'd be foolish to write them off with a 4 or 5 game lead.
Also, Mihm better than Bonner? KT? Oberto? he's younger, that's it. KT especially is a far superior player, and Bonner is about the same age as him and better in most facets of the game.
Last edited by z0sa; 12-11-2008 at 08:20 PM.
Be careful what you wish for.see below
Haha...you are the most bias motha a on the planet! LOL
It's easy to be biased when the Lakers are 18-3. What's your bias you little VIetnamese ?
Last edited by Allanon; 12-12-2008 at 12:12 AM.
Mihm was the starting Center a few years ago and pretty good. Oberto & KT were better in their prime years but right now Mihm is better.
Bonner right now is playing excellent and better than Mihm but I don't think he can keep it up.
Talent and size, I think Mihm is better. I think if Chris Mihm was on the Spurs right now, he would be the starting Center due to size. He's not as good offensively as Bonner but he's the better defender (not a great defender but decent).
It just keeps getting worse for Odom.
I may be inclined to think the earlier the better as well. One concern that arises is from last year playing early extensive tough matchups against teams like N.O. and PHX. In result we gassed out early and definetly could've gave a better overall performance.
I'm not Vietnamese, lol. Seriously though, you act like this Laker team is the best in history. And you think Bryant, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom are all Top 50 players. Chris Mihm being better than every big cept Duncan? Dude, stfu.
You make some decent point, but I think bonner strak of good gams is not a fluke, and more than that, he can prove to be highly problematic for your defense, spreading the court, and your bigs, away from the basket
like you said, we'll see in february, but remember evaluating spurs only in talent players is not so efficient, we rarely have the most talented teams on the league even in our championship years, team play directed by pop and duncan is the main force
Meanwhile, I still se boston bein better, more balanced than you guys for the moment
Bonner I can understand but you're defending Oberto and KT? Hahah, dumb little Viet , get back on the boat.Chris Mihm being better than every big cept Duncan?
They're 18-3, best Laker start in decades. How good is your team?Seriously though, you act like this Laker team is the best in history. And you think Bryant, Gasol, Bynum, and Odom are all Top 50 players.
Last edited by Allanon; 12-12-2008 at 12:27 PM.
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