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    I don't have limits sonic21's Avatar
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    http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...,6737708.story

    Andrew Bynum has a request for Coach Phil Jackson, something that's more than a minor favor to ask -- he wants more playing time in the fourth quarter.

    The 21-year-old Lakers center has sat out the final minutes of the team's last three close games.

    I don't understand why I'm not in at the end of the game," Bynum said. "It doesn't make much sense to me, but it's something I have to deal with. I haven't been in foul trouble the last couple of games, so I have no idea."

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    Because you keep doubting PJ's zen, or you haven't read the book he gave you in the offseason. One of those two, for sure.

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    I smell ego...his team is winning games and yet he's questioning the coach's moves...

    this is not a team that is built to last. kobe's already got enough ego. more ego than his will inevitably destroy a team.

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    I like this. Odom is Casper in the 4th quarter.

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    One more time... xtremesteven33's Avatar
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    Jackson says that Bynum needs to learn how to play defense at the end of games.

    haha

    I would love to see this Lakers team fall apart. I dont think it will happen though.

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    Why the is he ing, they have the best record in the conference so he must be doing something right

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    Typical Phil Jackson mind games.

    Don't think for a second that Bynum won't be in games to close out as we approach the playoffs. I suspect he is trying to keep Bynum hungry and motivated now that he has a big fat contract. By purposefully sitting him in the 4th he is challenging Bynum to work for that closing spot by playing better defense.

    This is one of the rare instances where I agree with Phil's strategery. BTW, Firefox apparently thinks strategery is a word.

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    This is just good coaching. Make Bynum learn now that now matter how good you are, you have to pay your dues. You have to watch what happens from the bench and yearn to be out there when it matters. It is privilege to earn your coaches trust. He will learn that and be hungry. Good coaching by Phil imo. Make him learn that you have to do all the little things.

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    I read this earlier on MSN. You only posted part of it. The full story tells the whole story, with Phil's reply, so click the link to see it all.

    alternative link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8931018/NBA

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    I read this earlier on MSN. You only posted part of it. The full story tells the whole story, with Phil's reply, so click the link to see it all.

    alternative link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8931018/NBA
    Bynum has struggled with pick-and-roll defense, and Jackson believes there is no margin for error in the late stages of tight games, of which there have been many for the Lakers.

    "When he shows the ability to play defense appropriately, he'll probably be there," Jackson said. "Andrew's doing really well and he's making great progress, but there are times in the game down the stretch [where] we've got to have the best defenders, guys that have been through it -- and that was the team we had last year in the playoffs. They know how to help each other."
    That pretty much sums it up.

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    So first Lamar Odom and now Bynum whining. Idiots.

    They already have the league handing every game to them, what more do they want?

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    I think if Bynum wants to get his extra time in the 4th, then he has to show that he can defend an entire game and not get lazy halfway through it. I agree with Phil when he said that Bynum doesn't have enough experience in crunch time as of yet but as the season progresses I think we will see him more and longer in the 4th.

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    Every other laker thinks they can whine as much as Kobe to try and get what they want. I was in LA through the period that Kobe wanted to be traded...it was awful. The Lakers can never be satisfied with a win, there's always someone who thinks they should be getting more spotlight. good for phil for keeping him on the bench in the 4th.

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    Every other laker thinks they can whine as much as Kobe to try and get what they want. I was in LA through the period that Kobe wanted to be traded...it was awful. The Lakers can never be satisfied with a win, there's always someone who thinks they should be getting more spotlight. good for phil for keeping him on the bench in the 4th.
    Well, every spur whines as much as Tim ...

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    I think if Bynum wants to get his extra time in the 4th, then he has to show that he can defend an entire game and not get lazy halfway through it. I agree with Phil when he said that Bynum doesn't have enough experience in crunch time as of yet but as the season progresses I think we will see him more and longer in the 4th.
    Agree on pretty much everything. I would love to have Bynum out there in crunch time.

    I don't think it's so much experience but laziness. Bynum's defense in the 4th quarters has been bothering me. He gets lazy when it's crunch time.

    It's something he can fix and he has the talent but I agree, Phil should make him earn those crunch time minutes by playing a full game of good D.

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    Agree on pretty much everything. I would love to have Bynum out there in crunch time.

    I don't think it's so much experience but laziness. Bynum's defense in the 4th quarters has been bothering me. He gets lazy when it's crunch time.

    It's something he can fix and he has the talent but I agree, Phil should make him earn those crunch time minutes by playing a full game of good D.
    I think he gets more tired than lazy to be honest. His conditioning has always been a problem since he came into the league. I think he'll need another month or so before he really is back to where he was last season.

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    I think he gets more tired than lazy to be honest. His conditioning has always been a problem since he came into the league. I think he'll need another month or so before he really is back to where he was last season.
    That could also be it as well. I had thought he looked a bit winded a couple of times out there late in games.

    Hopefully he works on his conditioning a bit more.

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    Well that is the only thing about Bynum that I have seen so far that might not bode well for his career. He does not seem to have that innate drive to always do the right thing. Duncan has it, many other greats had it, and they never learned it.

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    I'm Mavs>Spurs bitch Allanon's Avatar
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    Well that is the only thing about Bynum that I have seen so far that might not bode well for his career. He does not seem to have that innate drive to always do the right thing. Duncan has it, many other greats had it, and they never learned it.
    +1

    He plays well at the beginning, he plays great when he's angry. The rest of the time he just goes through the motions because he has the size and talent.

    It does not seem like Bynum wants to be the best. I don't know if this is a maturity thing at 21 or what but he's behind the curve in this department.

    If he gets that fire to be the best, he will become an all-time great. If not, he'll be another Big Z, good but not Great.
    Last edited by Allanon; 12-12-2008 at 06:26 PM.

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    Bynum does not posses enough tangibles or intangibles to be great.


    "Great" is a class for the elite. Bynum will NEVER be an elitle player.

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    Bynum does not posses enough tangibles or intangibles to be great.


    "Great" is a class for the elite. Bynum will NEVER be an elitle player.
    I think Bynum's got the tangibles to be a Great...size, skill, IQ, athleticism.

    It's the intangibles he doesn't have yet:

    1) Drive/Fire
    2) Leadership

    Like Bynum can't lead a team to a victory right now. But if you put him on a team where he's the man and gets the ball, he can put up the numbers.

    Bynum would have been better off going to college and becoming the Man there first. Here with Kobe and so many vets, he's going to have to wait and that will slow down his development in Leadership/Drive/Fire.

    I have no doubt Bynum can score 25 points/10+ rebounds a game if he played 40 minutes on some crappy team and shot 20 times a game like Kevin Durant. They won't be a winner but he'll get some great stats.

    He's still really, really young so I don't know if he'll ever get those extra intangibles to make him a Great.

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    Bynum is only 20-21 years old. He's still growing into his own body and he came into the NBA extremely raw.

    Give him 3-4 years before you judge him. Right now he's playing on an absolutely loaded team, he isn't necessarily given many growth opportunities on offense.

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    We are not judging his talent, clearly Bynum possess the skill. I have played sports my entire life and you can tell some players just have "it" with regards to leadership and fire and drive. Bynum does not have it and it is not something you can learn. Sometimes it is not even the best players that have it, but you can see it in them. I was never the best player on my teams, but I was the captain and the heart.

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