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Sweet thread. Highly insightful and relevant.
Who is kid?
werent they in 1st or 2nd place last year when they pulled that brilliant move?
remember when they didnt start choking till the playoffs?
Sweet thread. Highly insightful and relevant.
Who is kid?
no..... hahahaha
You both managed to survive botched abortions. So, anything is possible. Especially if you dream with your heart.
At least get the guys in' name right if your going to start a thread
The Kidd trade in hindsight was a mistake, but it doesn't explain the regression of the Mavs entirely.
I think we miss the J-Ho who got his points off hustle rather than stepback bull jumpers.
Stack's scoring and legs are missed as well.
Can't believe we gave up Quis for a white guy who doesnt play for us anymore.
All of this plus the fact that every franchise has a peak and then begins declined. Our peak was 2-3 years ago it seemed, and we've been declining ever since... it just happens really, although we seem to have expedited it with front office blunders.
FWIW, the Mavs were 6th at the time of the Kidd trade, although they were 1st when Devin got injured. But that was by an insignificant margin.
thank you mavs for the trade just another team out of our way
ing timewarp in here.
I do not believe this group of Mavs will recover from the trade. I don't see you can recover from such a one-sided trade. Harris did get owned tonight by CP3, but Kidd has been getting owned the last two seasons and will never stop it from happening. At least Harris is still young and playing well now.
Look! A dead horse! Someone beat the out of it!
It's the coach, stupid! Carslile just walked into that cluster of a locker room, who recently got another coach fired, and thought he would play buddy buddy with the players. He thought he could talk JHo into giving a , that everyone was going to fall in line, etc. The reality is that now that dictator Avery is gone, players don't wanna play D, JHo still wants his own team, Stackhouse dogged on him as soon as he fell out of the rotation, he trusted the new guys then sat them out for the same old vets, killing that trust.
It's no surprise that succesfull coaches are assholes in general (Pop, Phil, Sloan, Larry Brown, Pat Riley).
I don't think the Carslile method has worked, and when he comes out talking 'We like our team' and that he has a process, then his team gets raped for 133 when one of the best players in the opposing team is not even playing, you sure look like an idiot, both to the public in general and to those few players that still care (Dirk, JET).
In fairness to Carlisle the Mavs regression in defense occured last year as well.
I dunno if its a matter of effort or roster regarding the defense, I think it's a mixture. Look at the Mavs roster, are they capable of being an elite defensive team? I'd say so, although we were 5th in the league in 2007.
But 133 points.... that's just inexcusable... and it isn't the first time this year the teams had a porous defensive performance. This was probably the worst, giving up 121 to NJ was bad as well.
They stopped trying. And to be honest, I'm betting the players got mad at Avery for yelling at them because they were regressing. You can complain as much as you want about Avery, and some rightly so, but he made them play defense and if somebody didn't they knew they would have to respond to him after the game. The Bucks shot great tonight, but 133 points is inexcusable. Giving up a 12 point lead in a matter of minutes in Philly is inexcusable, even if Dirk made that buzzer beater. Giving 120+ to NJ is inexcusable. You know, when we had our asses handed to us by Philly last week, the first thing Pop said was 'Our defense is terrible, we need to do something about it'. And we played better D since then. I only hear 'We like our team a lot' and 'Rebounding defensively' from Carslile. It takes more than rebounding to play D. It takes discipline and being on player's asses constantly because they just love to score, not defend. I'm sorry, bit I just don't see it happening with Carslile.
Didn't they have a very good record against contenders before that trade?
^ yes.
1-0 v Lakers (before Gasol trade though, Bynum was out)
0-1 v Celtics (no Devin)
1-1 v Pistons (no Devin in loss)
1-1 v Suns (no Devin in loss)
1-1 v Spurs
1-1 v Hornets
3-0 v Rockets
1-1 v Jazz
Mavs have had a lot of games this year where they just haven't competed. Not saying they should've won those games, but @ Milwaukee, @ New Jersey, @ Phoenix...games where they just got curbstomped. That never happened back in 05-07 era.
^ this didn't even happen LAST year.
The Mavs have some really hard choices to make. They're not as bad as KG's final days in Minnesota, but they're stuck. They don't have the pieces and assets to trade their way into the LA, Cleveland, Boston and Orlando club...and as long as Dirk is in his prime, they're not going to be terrible.
They basically have three choices. They can continue to tweak, but surely even Mark and Donnie have to realize that this core is at the point of diminishing returns. The NBA is governed by cycles, and they last 3-4 years. Even if you're successful like the Spurs have been, if you keep the same personnel in place year after year, you become easier to scout and gameplan for. The Mavs have had the same core in place for the last cycle, and at this point there are no more surprises with this team. Other clubs know what they're going to get from the Mavs, and I have to believe that the players themselves are probably tired of having that burden on them (win a championship when they are clearly trying to go back up a hill with a boulder on their shoulders.)
They can completely blow it up and trade Dirk, but that pretty much means forget about the playoffs and winning anything for the next 3-4 years. It would take 1-2 years to bottom out and then another 1-2 to get it moving in the right direction...and that's assuming you make good draft choices and other personnel moves. Even if they wanted to go in this direction, they gave their 2010 pick to NJ. What incentive is there to suck next year and go into the lottery when you don't own your pick?
The only other option is try building a whole new core around Dirk and making everybody else on the roster available in a trade.
Is there even a recent example though, of a team going from elite to mediocre to elite while keeping the same player? The only one htat comes to mind is the Lakers, but that was w/ the giftwrapped Gasol and Ariza trades.
So the last scenario seems like pipedreams/wishful thinking, I just don't see us getting lucky in 2010, and that would be the only way to retool around Dirk.
Even if they strike out on the 2010 sweepstakes, who cares? Are they in any worse shape than they are right now? They aren't winning a le tinkering, they aren't winning a le blowing it up.
Going to bat for 2010 is the only possible option for a championship in the Dirk era. So Cuban can either try like for 2010, let Dirk waste away for the rest of his career in Dallas, or let him win a le wearing someone else's uniform.
I guess that makes sense, oh how frustrating though... to endure 1.5 more years of mediocre basketball and then bank on a superstar actually wanting to sign in Dallas.
OH how I weep!
I don't think the FO would actually go as far as to trade Kidd, Howard, and Terry though... which is lame considering if Kidd is not traded he will wallk and will have been a wasted asset that we gave up alot of assets for.
Bleh, I D K
So keep Dirk in place and shed as much salary as possible in the meantime? Under these cir stances I would welcome a Marion for Howard trade, if that's the purpose...as opposed to thinking that anything will be solved on the court by bringing in the Matrix.
Realistically, who is going to come here in 2010? Or will it be a S'n'T that gets a player here? I don't think any of the difference-makers will sign here....MAAAYBE Bosh, and that's still wishful thinking.
And is Bosh really a difference maker? Does Bosh and Dirk together strike you as anything other than a trip to the Conference Finals, max?
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