Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 65
  1. #1
    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Post Count
    32,408
    What's Wrong With American High Schools
    The approaches of 50 years ago cannot work today, Bill Gates says.
    By Bill Gates

    Bill Gates, chairman of Microsoft, is co-founder of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
    March 1, 2005


    Our high schools are obsolete.

    By obsolete, I don't just mean that they are broken, flawed and underfunded — although I can't argue with any of those descriptions.

    What I mean is that they were designed 50 years ago to meet the needs of another age. Today, even when they work exactly as designed, our high schools cannot teach our kids what they need to know. <snip>

    This is an economic disaster. In the international compe ion to have the best supply of workers who can communicate clearly, analyze information and solve complex problems, the United States is falling behind. We have one of the highest high school dropout rates in the industrialized world.

    In math and science, our fourth-graders rank among the top students in the world, but our 12th-graders are near the bottom. China has six times as many college graduates in engineering.

    As bad as it is for our economy, it's even worse for our students. Today, most jobs that pay enough to support a family require some post-secondary education. Yet only half of all students who enter high school enroll in a post-secondary ins ution.
    <snip>

    First, declare that all students must graduate from high school ready for college, work and citizenship. Every politician and chief executive in the country should speak up for the belief that children need to take courses that prepare them for college.

    Second, publish the data that measure our progress toward that goal. We already have some data that show us the extent of the problem. But we need to know more: What percentage of students are dropping out? What percentage are graduating? And this data must be broken down by race and income.

    Finally, every state should commit to turning around failing schools and opening new ones. When the students don't learn, the school must change. Every state needs a strong intervention strategy to improve struggling schools. <snip>
    LA Times

    A problem is that US schools are getting away from teaching kids critical thinking skills and more toward just regurgitation of names, facts and dates. While memorization is important, the ability to use the knowledge to solve a problem is critical to being well educated. I blame this on Republicans with their emphasis on standardized testing only as a sole judgment of a student's progress.

  2. #2
    JEBO TE! Clandestino's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Post Count
    5,649
    one factor could be that in america everyone has to go to high school.. in other countries by 16 only the chosen ones continue on in school..they rest begin apprenticeships or vocational training.

  3. #3
    Seeking the quiet mind desflood's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Post Count
    5,054
    Sorry Captain Buzzkill, you can't pin this on the conservatives.

  4. #4
    noididnot ididnotnothat's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Post Count
    1,437
    I blame it on women joining the workforce and kids not getting the nurturing that they need. Mom doesn't need to go to aerobic lessons when she should be at home taking care of the kids.

    And just how much is pay is required to support a family?

    Why can some do it on $30,000 a year while others can't?

    Why are modest homes in the $60 - $70K range hard to find?

    I don't blame it on any one particular party. This is an issue that hurts all of us.

  5. #5
    Fantasy Football Guru Guru of Nothing's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Post Count
    7,583
    A problem is that US schools are getting away from teaching kids critical thinking skills and more toward just regurgitation of names, facts and dates. While memorization is important, the ability to use the knowledge to solve a problem is critical to being well educated. I blame this on Republicans with their emphasis on standardized testing only as a sole judgment of a student's progress.
    I blame people who do nothing but blame others.

  6. #6
    noididnot ididnotnothat's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Post Count
    1,437
    I blame those who don't speak out.

  7. #7
    Seeking the quiet mind desflood's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Post Count
    5,054
    It's true that the feminist movement pretty much killed the "family movement", but that is one very small part of a large whole.

  8. #8
    Veteran exstatic's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Post Count
    45,483
    Hey, Bill...I'll bet that even if there were a hardworking, studious young man or woman who did well in college, bypassing your take on the crappy HS situation, and he or she wanted market value for a salary, you'd ship the job off to Bangalore. Don't tell these kids to study hard when you're only going to offshore a big portion of your software jobs. Falling wages, in addition to driving up profits, are also driving two income families.

  9. #9
    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Post Count
    21,547
    Back when my dad was in school, he only went to 6th grade, there wasn't a need for college since you could get a good paying manufacturing job of which there are not many left other than the automobile industry.
    I'm sure there are others but that is the one that I think of most when it comes to manufacturing jobs.

    Heck, even those with college degrees apply at places like Toyota.

    Is it fair that they are making over $50-$60K while teachers are paid less?

    Some just have to learn to live within their budgets.

    Just my two cents.

  10. #10
    JEBO TE! Clandestino's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Post Count
    5,649
    Hey, Bill...I'll bet that even if there were a hardworking, studious young man or woman who did well in college, bypassing your take on the crappy HS situation, and he or she wanted market value for a salary, you'd ship the job off to Bangalore. Don't tell these kids to study hard when you're only going to offshore a big portion of your software jobs. Falling wages, in addition to driving up profits, are also driving two income families.
    two income families are what happened when women went to work... they weren't forced too..they wanted more money... house prices have skyrocketed since women went to work..

    if some guy lived in my neighborhood wanted 40 bucks to cut my grass, but a guy from the neighborhood would do it for $10 it would make sense for me to hire the cheaper guy...

  11. #11
    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Post Count
    57,943
    I blame it on women joining the workforce and kids not getting the nurturing that they need. Mom doesn't need to go to aerobic lessons when she should be at home taking care of the kids.
    I thought about responding to this, but then I thought, let Jess do it.

    I can't wait to read that.

  12. #12
    Basketball Expertise spurster's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Aug 1999
    Post Count
    4,132
    I call BS. Reading and writing and arithmetic have not changed too much in the past 50 years.

    Teaching students what they need to know is BS. Different jobs have different things you need to know. However, if students can read and write and solve problems, then they can learn what they need to know.

  13. #13
    Veteran exstatic's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Post Count
    45,483
    if some guy lived in my neighborhood wanted 40 bucks to cut my grass, but a guy from the neighborhood would do it for $10 it would make sense for me to hire the cheaper guy...
    Then don't complain when his wife is out cutting grass for $10, too, so they can put food on the table and pay the mortgage. The two income family is a fuction of wages forced down by offshoring, first in the manufacturing sector, and now in the tech sector.

  14. #14
    JEBO TE! Clandestino's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Post Count
    5,649
    Then don't complain when his wife is out cutting grass for $10, too, so they can put food on the table and pay the mortgage. The two income family is a fuction of wages forced down by offshoring, first in the manufacturing sector, and now in the tech sector.
    actually the lower income two family jobs aren't what is pushing housing prices higher... it is the middle income families who would live on 45k a year, that now have 90k a year and move out the 45k a year neighborhood into the 90k a year neighborhood.... then the next guy sends his wife to work, adn so on, and so on.. then all the prices are high.. and everyone is forced to work..when one loses their job they have to sell their house...

  15. #15
    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Post Count
    21,547
    I think that sounds logical. Keeping up with the Jones's?

  16. #16
    Fantasy Football Guru Guru of Nothing's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Post Count
    7,583
    Hey, Bill...I'll bet that even if there were a hardworking, studious young man or woman who did well in college, bypassing your take on the crappy HS situation, and he or she wanted market value for a salary, you'd ship the job off to Bangalore. Don't tell these kids to study hard when you're only going to offshore a big portion of your software jobs. Falling wages, in addition to driving up profits, are also driving two income families.
    Ex, Clayton Williams could set you straight in about 10 seconds.

  17. #17
    Veteran exstatic's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Post Count
    45,483
    Ex, Clayton Williams could set you straight in about 10 seconds.
    A Republican who managed to lose a statewide election in Texas? That's like failing a breathing test. I think I'll take my advice elsewhere.

  18. #18
    Fantasy Football Guru Guru of Nothing's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Post Count
    7,583
    A Republican who managed to lose a statewide election in Texas? That's like failing a breathing test. I think I'll take my advice elsewhere.
    Well then, I guess you will just have to find your "joy" elsewhere.

  19. #19
    Alabama Spurs Fan dcole50's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Post Count
    983
    I blame it on women joining the workforce and kids not getting the nurturing that they need.
    yeah, keep women out of the workplace. brilliant. if you're a single mom with a deadbeat dad, suck it up. stay in the kitchen, stay out ..

    eh, i can't even finish this. my point: that's an idiotic statement.

  20. #20
    Seeking the quiet mind desflood's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Post Count
    5,054
    I think, dcole, the idea was women who don't have to work should stay home...

  21. #21
    Fantasy Football Guru Guru of Nothing's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Post Count
    7,583
    I think, dcole, the idea was women who don't have to work should stay home...
    I think women who choose not to work should refrain from complaining about OPM.

  22. #22
    Fantasy Football Guru Guru of Nothing's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Post Count
    7,583
    I think, dcole, the idea was women who don't have to work should stay home...
    What about men who don't have to work? Should they stay home?

  23. #23
    My uncles' friend is JFK NameDropper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Post Count
    914
    I think women who choose not to work should refrain from complaining about OPM.
    I'm down with OPP!

  24. #24
    Seeking the quiet mind desflood's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Post Count
    5,054
    Some women choose what is best for their children, instead of convenient for themselves.

  25. #25
    Fantasy Football Guru Guru of Nothing's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Post Count
    7,583
    Some women choose what is best for their children, instead of convenient for themselves.
    Keep telling yourself that! I'm divorced, so staying at home is not an option for mom. Nonetheless, my kids are still off to a stellar start in life because of all the things the ex and I do for them, and all the while we both work..

    Stop patronizing yourself. Nobody here can relate.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •