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Cheney Calls for Release of Memos Showing Results of Interrogation Efforts
Former Vice President Cheney says he knows how successful the interrogation techniques were in collecting intelligence for the United States and wants that information to be released to the public as well as the legal memos explaining the decision to allow the heavily criticized methods.
FOXNews.com
Monday, April 20, 2009
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In an interview with FOX News' Sean Hannity aired on "Hannity" Monday night, Cheney questioned the point of releasing the legal decisions behind the interrogations but not the outcome of them.
"One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort," Cheney said.
Cheney said he's asked that the do ents be declassified because he has remained silent on the confidential information, but he knows how successful the interrogation process was and wants the rest of the country to understand.
"I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw, that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country," Cheney said. "I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was."
Cheney says he doesn't find it surprising that he's still asked for his views on administrative policies and thinks it's appropriate for those with a different point of view to be able to express it -- and give the American people the ability to evaluate.
"It's important to not personally attack the new president -- I've never done that," said Cheney.
The former vice president says the biggest task he had was to protect the nation's security following 9/11 and to ensure such devastation would never happen again. He says many of the policies he set up are currently being dismantled by the Obama administration.
"There's a great temptation for a new administration to find a problem and blame it on the predecessor. We did it. The Obama administration is not the first one to do that," said Cheney.
Since his departure from the White House, Cheney says he's been concerned over the way the U.S. has been presented overseas and finds Obama's apologies to various countries "disturbing." He also feels Obama's "coziness" with America's opponents like Daniel Ortega and Hugo Chavez is not "helpful."
"Since the U.S. provides most leadership in the world, I don't think we have much to apologize for," said Cheney.
While he feels that a president needs to interact with adversaries, Cheney says it's important to distinguish between the good guys and bad guys. He says that the world will be quick to take advantage of a situation if they feel like they're dealing with a weak president.
"It's important the U.S. that we don't come off as arrogant -- but also important to not come across as weak, indecisive and apologetic," said Cheney.
First of all I would like to say f*ck you Cheney.
On a lighter note when I copied the article I picked up the bolded section of the article. Remember FOx News is not a conservative mouthpiece..
the CIA is a universe unto itself. with no oversight, nobody controlling it.
Gates politicized it in the early 80s.
Who's going to believe CIA memos, aka disinformation, that justify the "results" of CIA torture?
head, tell the lie again, show us the CIA memos, how Saddam was involved in 9/11.
Yeah, I saw that interview and it has never been more clear just how much power Cheney had in the Bush administration. He didn't like the fact that the memos were released at all and now he wants even more info released.
There is no doubt in my mind that some of the interrogation techniques did produce some intelligence that was useful and did stop possible further attacks.
I don't believe that "torture" is going to stop when push comes to shove and there are certain things that we don't want to hear about but know are necessary.
Cue in 'the ends justify the means' hyperbole and everything that's wrong with it...
Please keep that man as far as away from power as possible.
When Obama released the "torture" memos, what did it accomplish?
It's unbecoming for former presidents to undermine their own government publicly, but Mr. Cheney is 100% en led to do it if he wants. There's no law against lacking modesty or graciousness.
Haven't we heard enough from Mr. Cheney already?
Establishing the truth for the public record, for example. Government transparency and possibly accountability. Do these things matter to you?
If you have no problem with what Obama released, why have a problem with this?
Again, what was accomplished by releasing the other memos?
Then don't cherry pick. Release it all.
Anyone? Bueller?
<crickets>
I don't have a problem with it as long as Cheney will admit that releasing it will weaken the United States and increase the risk of another attack.
That's not the way it works. In the interest of national security some things will remain secret. Presidents and VP's have classification powers (Mr. Cheney seems to miss his), so there's always a degree of selectivity at work.
The cause of the kerfuffle IMO is Obama allowing sunshine to penetrate the heart of darkness of the unaccountable, erstwhile (?) 4th branch of government, Mr. Cheney. The complaint that selective declassification is political in nature is undeniably germane, but it is also a commonplace. Government disclosure is always partial, and it usually aims at political ends.
Is there something deceiving or misleading about what has been released? Mr. Cheney seems to implicate that there is, though for obvious reasons he cannot say what. So he seeks to get by on the bare implication Obama isn't telling us the whole story. I don't really see why you should set more stock by Cheney's empty inference than declassified material, Darrin, but you be my guest. You'll probably have plenty of company.
Last edited by Winehole23; 04-21-2009 at 11:46 AM.
Aren't the results of the interrogations part of the truth for the public record? Seems disingenuous of our government to expect the public to decide for themselves whether the ends justify the means if they're only going to clue us in on the "means".
BTW, have you read the memos Darrin?
Exactly.
None of these memos should have been released. The Obama admin can still change policy without releasing this info. It was a bad call, IMO.
I concur.
Much of the information was already out there but I agree that I don't think they should have been officially released. I agree it was a bad call.
Yeah, that's right....a bad call.
Now that being said Obama would have criticized from the left and right for not being more open like said he would be during his campaign. So he is being true to himself but I still think it was a bad call.
It does, but are you really ready to watch the interrogations? I'm not.
The context is executive secrecy and torture policy, dimbulb.
I just enjoyed your choice of words.
Tergiversating. You can't have it both ways. You just criticized Obama for making selective disclosure and suggested complete disclosure would be more appropriate, and now you take him to task for disclosing anything in the first place.
Are you sure you remember your own position on this, Darrin?
Last edited by Winehole23; 04-21-2009 at 04:33 PM. Reason: gloss provided
Sorry for the barb then. I thought you were getting on my case.
I have the opinion that releasing the original memo was a mistake in the first place. But, if the admin is being politically selective in what they release, them I'm against that too.
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