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Wow...
CNN is reporting. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...nce/index.html
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier in Baghdad opened fire on his fellow soldiers Monday, killing four American troops before killing himself, a senior defense official said.
Three others were wounded in the incident at the U.S. military base, Camp Liberty, in Baghdad, the official said.
The U.S. military issued a news release saying only that five coalition soldiers were killed Monday in a shooting at Camp Liberty.
The military did not give the soldiers' nationalities or provide further details.
This is a tragic story.
Wow...
Damn. That sucks.
How much you want to bet he probably had a probably had a previous diagnosis of PTSD and they sent him back anyways?
Good one Dr Phil
Sane people tend not to shoot their coworkers.
Leave me out of this.
Spot on.
And it was probably his 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th time over there!!
Maybe he was just weak-minded not every man can handle the horrors of war.
Hmmm...
So the kids at Columbine and other such shootings had PTSD too?
The military is very large, and you have some unstable people who slip through the cracks. Nice we have so many professionals who never reviewed the case.
Maybe you should sign up to take his place. Show those US troops how to be tough, fake Barry.
I do not understand why people feel the need to take out others before giving up on life.
I know numerous soldiers who will continue asking to go back until they are physically unfit to do so.
The initial report is a little confusing, but I guess the details don't matter so much. Very sad story.
Asking to be sent or volunteering, is different from being required to do so.
Have you ever shot someone? Took an innocent's life just because they happened to be in the proximity of your target and you had to be sure that he was taken out? Ever known that you ended a life that had barely begun? Can you possibly comprehend what that would do to you?
Of course, this says nothing about how some troops feel that they're over there killing for oil (and off about arguing politics here, the fact is that some troops absolutely feel that's why they're over there).
It's astounding to me how people can look at a soldier who's been in war and say, "I can't understand why he would do that."
My dad is the last surviving member of his company from Vietnam. Something like 25-30% killed themselves in the past decade, many died from health complications, and several just lost the will to live.
Newsflash: War is . It has a tendency to make men crazy.
Yep! It's a fun place. Why don't you give it a try?
I was not aware The United States had reinstated the draft.Asking to be sent or volunteering, is different from being required to do so.
In all seriousness, Can soldiers be honorably discharged if the plead PTSD or use some other excuse?
Didn't you get the memo?
It's been long enough now that everyone who has enlisted or reenlisted knew the stakes.
I completely understand the suicide angle. Good for you if you carry it out after coming to the conclusion it's your only option left. But to take the lives of others who have not given up themselves is bull .
If he wasn't just one of these weirdos who joins the armed forces to kill, I'd think he would have initially been a good enough man to leave other SOLDIERS out of his depression.
Like most mental issues, a soldier will likely be discharged (honorably or basic) if they have PTSD.
However, it is difficult to prove, and like most mental disorders, it is usually not apparent to the person who has them. Anxiety disorders are likely particularly tough to tell, because they most likely interfere with basic instruction and orders, so the person who has it will attempt to do anything he or she can to cover it up. And since we're underfunded over there anyway, I'm sure the shrinks are few and far between.
They can plead anything they want. All I know is that I am married to an Army psychiatrist, and when he tells me that he is no longer under pressure to clear for deployment soldiers who are PTSD, emotionally distraught, immature, drug dependent or psycho/socio-pathic, I'll believe it.
Last edited by mrsmaalox; 05-11-2009 at 11:11 AM.
I'm sure the families of those soldiers killed sleep a lot better now that they just read your post.
I just hope there's a thorough investigation to find out what are the causes of this tragedy.
Recruiters are pushed to enlist as many people as they can using any method they can. And it's surprising we get mentally unstable individuals committed to a war zone?
Again, I don't understand how you're attempting to rationalize the actions of a person who has no mental stability. They DO NOT ACT RATIONALLY.
PTSD is not something that is diagnosed easily and the government doesn't want to have to pay for benefits so some fall through the cracks. I'm not surprised some crack under all they have to deal with on a daily basis.
The question is how often you do a psychological review to see which soldiers are fit for service.
It looks like not often enough.
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