Who do you think improved their team the most? (If we can be unbiased as Spurs fans....)
The Spurs acquiring Jefferson...
The Magic acquiring Carter?
Cleveland acquiring The Big Nomad???
And as both Cleveland and the Magic had a winning record against us last year, if you feel the Jefferson trade helped us the most, would you favor the Spurs against either team now? Away or at Home?
Thanks for the thoughts.
Last edited by BillMc; 06-28-2009 at 01:44 PM.
The real question is this:
How much of an improvement is Jefferson over Finley?
How much of an improvement is Carter over Turkgolu?
How much of an improvement is Shaq over Ben Wallace?
I think the biggest improvement is the Spurs when you look at it this way.
ummmm, well everybody on your list improved in my book. jeff is younger and more athletic, carter is more athletic and better clutch, shaq is still an all around post player and wallace is a tree stump. i see your point though and yes, jefferson is a major improvement over finley
Only time will tell...... Pieces are still being put into place on all teams.....
No Sherlock. But the point is that Finley is a guy that we're seriously considering ditching completely. Whereas the Cavs and Magic would probably like to retain both Wallace and especially Turkgolu. That speaks volumes about our degree of improvement over other people's.
"The Big Nomad" lmao
Jefferson may not be the best player who was traded. He's in his prime, while Shaq is past it and Carter will probably have a resurgence playing for a real contender, but I think the Jefferson trade is going to have the most consistent impact on how his new team performs next season. Last year's Spurs roster was one year removed from winning a championship and was playing really good ball before they started getting hit with injuries. If that team stayed healthy, I think Pop would've managed the development of Hill and Mason within the Spurs system a little better than he did. So I think Jefferson, who's coming onto a team that was already #2 in its conference when healthy, is going to be the guy who turns his new team around the most.
I think Blair, if he pans out and makes the team, will help the Spurs become an elite rebounding team, and that should help get the defense back to where it needs to be. But RJ is that missing "athletic forward" that we've been missing, so I'm interested to see how it all looks on the court next season.
well i was thinking the same thing when you posted that so don't be such a smart ass
Magic and if they sign Sheed would be the favorites to me but as it stands right now the overall improvements are SPURS
Hedo opted out. Magic can no longer afford Hedo and with the addition of Carter, didn't expect to hang on to both. Word is he's going to Detroit.
Right now, the Spurs improved the most with the addition of RJ, because he is an upgrade from Finley. If we can add Sheed, it will be an upgrade from Bonner and we would have improved the most in the off season. Plus, what we did in the draft gives us pieces that can contribute a little now, but could be the start of a nice future. A++ off season for our Spurs so far, be we are not done yet... so it could be even better by next week. GO SPURS GO!!! RC and POP are the best!!!!
If you look at it like that, id go with the Cavs.
Well Vince Carter is the best player out of those 3. But when you look at it in terms of who these FA's are kicking out/topping on the depth chart, then I think the award goes to the Spurs. I don't know why everyone is ragging on Finley, but of course I'm biased. My first Spurs game (recently) ended with a buzzer beater 3 point swish by Michael Finley. End score: 95-92 Spurs.
In part to be contrarian, I will propose that Orlando's great season was a one and done occurence.
Dwight Howard's game is not conducive to championships (nor is Hedo Turkoglu's if he's kept). Jameer Nelson's shortcomings were masked by Rafer Alston but they will be at the fore in Orlando's next playoff run.
Vince Carter is a team-killer and a coach-killer (and Stan VanG just needs a nudge at this point anyway).
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Orlando implodes ala New Orleans last year (although it's less likely to be apparent until the playoffs than was NO).
The spurs had more to improve because they were not as good last year as Cleveland or Orlando and that is even with Manu.
doubtful unless injuries occur. I fully expect them to sign Sheed too so even though teams will gun for them, unless they get immature quick, they'll be in the mix next season. though Howard needs to add a go to move this summer
If Wallace signs with the Magic, the Magic made the most improvements if he goes to the Spurs then its the Spurs.
We are the least improve at this moment.
Our front court lacks completion.
shaq: what again was clevelands problem? guarding obile players like howard or a freakin D12? dont see shag doing better than Z!
carter: if Hedo i gone its notreally an improvement...Hedo to me is the slightly better player right now...if he stays, Carter+Hedo+Shard+the pick and roll Nelson+Howard is realy good, but chemestry issius could occur
jefferson: filling the need perfectly...no chemestry issius...I think, thats the winner!
In order: Spurs > Cleveland > Magic.
All improved, but I agree with Darkwaters' way of looking at it. Vince over Turkoglu was the lowest improvement, and they're the only team that actually gave up solid pieces (Alston, Lee).
I don't know how well Shaq will fit in cleveland, while Jefferson seems to be a perfect fit. And Jefferson is gonna replace basically garbage (sorry findog), Shaq will send Big Z to the bench and he will produce less.
Honestly, the Magic. Shaq, he isn't going to make much of a difference in Cleveland. Maybe if this was 2005, but it ain't. Carter makes Orlando so much more deadly. Giving up Lee and Alston sucks, yes, but they got Ryan Andersen back and they only needed Alston to fill in for Nelson while he was injured. On paper, they're looking scary next year.
Carter is so over-rated by many posters it is a joke. He is a relatively poor defender and decision maker ala an Iverson. Hedo with his versatility was a better and clutch fit for the Magic who fell way behind Cavs with the pick up of Shaq - Shaq will give enough offense and defense to help Cavs and also will allow Z to play less minutes and be more effective.
On paper Cavs improved most then Spurs to me.
I look at which player has the chance of making his teammates better, who has a team-first mindset and who is healthy and in a position to contribute over an entire season an playoffs... by these criteria the Spurs are light-years ahead of the Cavs and Magic.
if you look at 1 player alone, i think cleveland landing shaq will make the biggest difference.
but total net changes, the spurs by far. and we're not even done yet. the magic losing hedo to carter actually got worse.
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