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    Well, stick a fork in us and our economy. That must be some good reefer he's smoking in the WH...

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...ent-on-Energy/

    And, now, just last Friday, the House of Representatives came together to pass an extraordinary piece of legislation that will finally open the door to decreasing our dependence on foreign oil, preventing the worst consequences of climate change, and making clean energy the profitable kind of energy. Thanks to members of Congress who were willing to place America's progress before the usual Washington politics, this bill will create new businesses, new industries, and millions of new jobs, all without imposing untenable new burdens on the American people or America's businesses.

    We know the benefits. In the late 1970s, the state of California enacted tougher energy-efficiency policies. Over the next three decades, those policies helped create almost 1.5 million jobs. And today, Californians consume 40 percent less energy per person than the national average -- which, over time, has prevented the need to build at least 24 new power plants. Think about that. California -- producing jobs, their economy keeping pace with the rest of the country, and yet they have been able to maintain their energy usage at a much lower level than the rest of the country.
    In other news...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/us/25calif.html?hp

    Signaling that California is slipping deeper into financial crisis, the state’s controller said Wednesday that his office would soon be forced to issue i.o.u.’s to scores of the state’s creditors, as lawmakers failed at their first attempt as a body to close the state’s multibillion-dollar shortfall.
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,3863292.story

    California unemployment rises to record 11.5% in May
    The state lost 68,900 jobs in May as unemployment rose from a revised 11.1% in April and 6.8% in May 2008. This is the highest rate since the national record-keeping system began in 1976.
    http://www.plantengineering.com/arti...ring_jobs_.php

    A new report by the Milken Ins ute shows California has lost more than one-quarter of its manufacturing jobs since 2000, with some of the sharpest declines in the high-tech manufacturing sector.

    The job loss in California is much higher than in neighboring states, and so not all of the job loss is being pinned on foreign migration of jobs. In fact, wages higher than the national average and intrusive regulation from the California Legislature gets most of the blame, according to experts.

    The study found California has lost 26% of its manufacturing jobs, and 35% of the manufacturing jobs in the high-tech area. The Milken Ins ute performed tyhe study for the California Manufacturers and technology Association, which told the San Francisco Chronicle that regulation was making the state less atrtractive to manufacturers.

    "Everyone says the regulatory burden in California is too much," Gino DiCaro, spokesman for the Manufacturers Association, told the Chronicle. "Over time, we're dropping off the list of states that companies are willing to consider."
    http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_12703761

    California's unemployment insurance fund is already operating in the red and may not be sufficient to meet the rapidly increasing demand for unemployment benefits.

    The rate of the state's unemployed reached a record-breaking 11.5 percent in May. The unemployment rate in San Bernardino and Riverside counties hit 13 percent.
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1940d18e-6...nclick_check=1

    Once the US’s richest state, California now has the dubious distinction of having the worst credit rating in the country.

    The state is also likely to issue IOUs to the US government. California currently contributes funding for government-run programmes for elderly and developmentally disabled people but is considering issuing IOUs to cover its contributions because of the lack of cash.

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    what would possess him to say that...? Is he mentally deficient or something?

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    what would possess him to say that...? Is he mentally deficient or something?
    He has an agenda. It's not your's or mine or anyone's who has a real job or produces anything.

    Facts have no place in this argument. You are clearly a right wing extremist and Homeland Security has you clearly in their crosshairs.

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    what would possess him to say that...? Is he mentally deficient or something?
    What do you expect? He's got an agenda, and it's not the economic prosperity of America.

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    yeah I know his agenda. But I would think the entire country knows that CA is in the crapper in every way possible.

    So I thought it was kind of dumb to use CA as a role model for anything.

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    yeah I know his agenda. But I would think the entire country knows that CA is in the crapper in every way possible.

    So I thought it was kind of dumb to use CA as a role model for anything.
    It is, unless you have the same liberal agenda as those who ran that state into the ground.

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    i wonder when people are going to actually start processing everything that's going on lately.

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    i wonder when people are going to actually start processing everything that's going on lately.
    Just watch another Michael Jackson moonwalk video. You will feel better in the morning knowing you are following the REAL news.

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    Just watch another Michael Jackson moonwalk video. You will feel better in the morning knowing you are following the REAL news.
    sometimes it feels like we're all in a movie. you see a movie and you know "it's just a movie" so you don't react.

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    there's nuances to the trillion dollar budget.

    guys, you've got to get nuancy and progressy.

    Change.

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    Eh, Obama showed a tin ear for sure, but the OP amounts to little more than a laborious post hoc fallacy, glued to a clumsy strawman.

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    do you consider Obama's govt page a strawman? lol!

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    All you need to make a successful state is to do the opposite of everything that California does on major policy.

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    Mr. Obama, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Mr. Obama, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


    Ok, THAT was good.

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    Eh, Obama showed a tin ear for sure, but the OP amounts to little more than a laborious post hoc fallacy, glued to a clumsy strawman.


    1.5 million jobs a year over 30 years is 50,000 jobs a year that he's crowing about.

    How many were lost that time?

    Do you realize that over 250,000 jobs were created last year in Texas?

    You can dismiss it all you want, but there were quotes in that article about regulations on industry causing businesses to leave the state and Cali not being attractive to new business operations.

    The same crap that is going to happen to the country as a whole if crap & trade gets passed by the Senate.

    So you really think California should be the model for the U.S.? I feel sorry for you, if that's the case.

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    Mr. Obama, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
    Yup..... The smart guy actually wants to model our economy after California. Keep saying 3 1/2 more years, 3 1/2 more years, 3 1/2 more years. It's so obviously ing re ed the Obama s can't defend so once again they say stupid ass like " Go back and watch ur Michael Jackson videos" Seriously the Obama dems are some of the dumbest people I have ever ever been around in my life.

    I can hear it now when more jobs are lost and the new "stimulus" bill is presented because the old one was to pay back for his election. "These are tough times we are in, I inherited a big mess, sure we want CHANGE but it doesn't happen overnight,infact it does not happen over 4 years, when you go to sleep at night just blame Bush" The idiots and s will cheer and cheer and tell everyone who will listen Obama is so smart.

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    The same crap that is going to happen to the country as a whole if crap & trade gets passed by the Senate.
    That's the post hoc fallacy. California is in trouble because its people demand services they refuse to pay for. The Chicken Little routine does not convince.

    So you really think California should be the model for the U.S.? I feel sorry for you, if that's the case.
    And this is another strawman.

    I called Obama a tin ear over this, remember?

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    This country is so ed.

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    That's the post hoc fallacy. California is in trouble because its people demand services they refuse to pay for.
    And that's different from the rest of the nation?

    If the federal government were ever faced with the "horrific" dilemma of having to balance the budget the entire nation would be freaking out just as bad as California is.

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    And that's different from the rest of the nation?
    The rest of the nation doesn't face imminent bankruptcy and default like California. It's a difference of degree, but a significant one IMO.

    If the federal government were ever faced with the "horrific" dilemma of having to balance the budget the entire nation would be freaking out just as bad as California is.
    I agree. I wish we were freaking out about it already.

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    Why should we expect the government of a people who leverage themselves to the hilt to behave any differently?

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    ...and yet they have been able to maintain their energy usage at a much lower level than the rest of the country.
    California uses less energy than the rest of the country per person.

    HMMMMMMM.

    What makes YOUR utility bill rise the most?

    For me, in Pennsylvania, it is heating the air in my house when it is 2 degrees outside.

    In Texas, it is cooling the air in your house when it is 102 degrees outside.

    In California - where it's almost never too hot, or too cold.... , you do the math. They better damn well be using less energy than the rest of us!

    Disingenuous, and ignorant.

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    California uses less energy than the rest of the country per person.
    HMMMMMMM.
    What makes YOUR utility bill rise the most?
    For me, in Pennsylvania, it is heating the air in my house when it is 2 degrees outside.
    In Texas, it is cooling the air in your house when it is 102 degrees outside.
    In California - where it's almost never too hot, or too cold.... , you do the math. They better damn well be using less energy than the rest of us!
    Disingenuous, and ignorant.
    From recent DOE data:
    Residential energy consumption makes up 22% of total energy consumption in the U.S. Of that, roughly 50% is for heating and cooling. Commercial energy consumption is 19% of the total, and of that 20% is for heating and cooling. By my math, that comes to 15% of total energy usage in the U.S. being for the purposes of heating and cooling.

    What of the other 85%?

    101A, you know better than this.

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    From recent DOE data:
    Residential energy consumption makes up 22% of total energy consumption in the U.S. Of that, roughly 50% is for heating and cooling. Commercial energy consumption is 19% of the total, and of that 20% is for heating and cooling. By my math, that comes to 15% of total energy usage in the U.S. being for the purposes of heating and cooling.

    What of the other 85%?

    101A, you know better than this.
    It amazes me that the combined total for residential and commercial energy useage only equals 41% of total energy usage.

    That leaves 59% to vehicles and everything else.

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