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mr obama. don't screw this up.
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SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea accused Washington of seeking to "provoke a second Korean War" as the regime prepared to hold maritime military exercises off the eastern coast.
U.S. and regional authorities were watching closely for signs that North Korea might fire short- or mid-range missiles during the June 25 to July 10 timeframe cited in a no-sail ban for military drills sent to Japan's Coast Guard.
North Korea had warned previously it would fire a long-range missile as a response to U.N. Security Council condemnation of an April rocket launch seen as a cover for its ballistic missile technology.
An underground nuclear test last month drew more Security Council action: a resolution seeking to clamp down on North Korea's trading of banned arms and weapons-related material by requiring U.N. member states to request inspections of ships carrying suspected cargo.
In a first test of the new resolution, a North Korean ship suspected of transporting illicit weapons was sailing off China's coast with a U.S. destroyer close behind.
The Kang Nam, which left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago, is believed bound for Myanmar, South Korean and U.S. officials said.
Myanmar state television downplayed the reports of a possible weapons shipment Wednesday evening, saying another North Korean vessel was expected to pick up a load of rice but that the government had no information about the Kang Nam.
A senior U.S. defense official said Wednesday that the ship had already cleared the Taiwan Strait.
He said he didn't know how much range the Kang Nam has — that is, whether or when it may need to stop in some port to refuel — but that the Kang Nam has in the past stopped in Hong Kong's port.
Another U.S. defense official said he tended to doubt reports that the Kang Nam was carrying nuclear-related equipment, saying the information officials have received seems to indicate the cargo is conventional munitions.
The U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing intelligence.
Officials said last week that they believed the ship was carrying smaller arms, though they didn't elaborate.
The U.S. and its allies have not decided whether to contact and request inspection of the ship, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Wednesday.
"That's a decision that will have to be made at some point, and not necessarily just by us or this government," he said at a news conference. "I think we will likely take (the decision) collectively with our allies and partners."
He said he didn't believe a decision would come soon.
North Korea has said it would consider interception of its ships a declaration of war, and on Wednesday accused the U.S. of seeking to start another Korean War.
"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," a dispatch from the official Korean Central News Agency said.
mr obama. don't screw this up.
So looks like the Korean Central News Agency hired Saddam's media guy.
NK just might make me go all neocon if nothing more than to shut that piece of up once and for all.
Let them throw words all they want. Words are meaningless. The second they attempt to damage America or S. Korea though, you've got to lower the hammer. American economy would take a huge hit if S. Korea took major damage.
+1.
Call them loudmouths and braggarts, since that's what they are, then leave them be. If they try to back up their threat, squash them like a bug.
Right. And the Clippers are going to dethrone the Lakers next year.
Because of where Seoul is, if NK chose to launch an attack, they could destroy Seoul before SK or the U.S. could respond, and if the U.S. or SK tried to act pre-emptively, NK could take out Seoul before its weapons could be neutralized.
If NK aims a nuclear missile at Hawaii and tries to blackmail the U.S. with it, which appears to be the endgame of all this, it will be necessary to destroy the country, although that means we also are signing on for the destruction of much of South Korea including Seoul.
The can has been kicked down the road so long that the end of the road is close by.
Now I don't know what China thinks of all this. It would be in everybody's best interest for China simply to invade North Korea, destroy the regime, and occupy the country.
i would kinda think that china knows that we have no means to really defend ourselves(monetarily) when the crap hits the fan. i'm thinking they are worried about us paying them back somehow. i would think china would muscle kim somehow, someway. no?
Major trading partner.
China is first and foremost about making money. Instability in their part of the world, involving their top trading partner, is not good for business.
so do you think china will meddle?
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I found this piece of info on http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2800.htm:
Two-way trade between North and South Korea, legalized in 1988, hit almost $1.82 billion in 2008, much of it related to out-processing or assembly work undertaken by South Korean firms in the Kaesong Industrial Complex (KIC). A significant portion of the total through 2007 included R.O.K. Government aid, but that assistance stopped in 2008, except for energy aid (heavy fuel oil) under the Six-Party Talks. Thus, in 2008, about 94% of the total trade consisted of commercial transactions, much of that based on processing-on-commission arrangements and the light industry operations in KIC. The R.O.K. is North Korea's second-largest trading partner, after China.
I don't see how China could get any benefit from trading with NK. A bunch of crappy weapons for food? That is seriously lopsided. China already produces their own weapons, which are pretty good in modern standards. I'm sure they'd rather trade arms with russia
I dont walk with ES when it comes to China.
Its my opinion that this entire situation is what China wants. If our country (America) is the camel, North Korea could be the straw.
Yes, China holds a bunch of our debt (almost a trillion, iirc). I dont think of the Chinese as dumb enough to think America will ever pay that debt back. The debt they hold is less an asset in finance as it is an edge in international politics.
Why is it you think Obama and Co. arent talking super-tough about NK? Giving ultimatums and such? I believe its because they cant. They financially cannot.
China is behind North Korea, what the press and media say. You think Kim Jong is just, what? Reinventing the ballistics wheel with these tests?
North Korea is to China what Afghanistan was to the US. A proxy to use against a compe or. The CIA was all up in Afghanistan during the Russian occupation/invasion. Arming them, training them, helping the resistance. We didnt care one iota if Afghanistan "won the war" or wtf-ever, we were there to weaken an opponent, nothing more nothing less.
Fast forward 20 years and the same proxy battles are being fought only its our turn to spin the chamber and take a shot. China has us in a lose-lose situation.
Talk tough and instigate a madman with nuclear capabilities unilaterally? Dumb.
Try and convince the UN to go into a unified front with an ultimatum of war, while China holds veto power? Utter waste of time and clout.
Threaten China through back channels that they need to get their dog on a leash? $1,000,000,000,000 right now or go yourself with a sharp stick.
Send your military into Japanese waters as a counter measure/threat of possible attack? Oh, Im quite sure the Chinese would just love us to be in their sphere of influence, right? "Oh sure, come on in! We dont care! yeah, yeah...anything for you dumb, ignorant Americans."
Or, you can do whats being done right now. Nothing, nada.
Thats why you see trepidation from our lead officials. This is a waiting game because your next move is a loser...one way or the other. The best you can hope for is the opponent to make a mistake because theyve out-manuvered you up until this point. It may not be a checkmate situation, but if you falter, it damn well could be. Better to pause the game and let time pass as it seems to be your only ally this far in.
My take anyway.
Last edited by DarkReign; 06-24-2009 at 04:54 PM.
Millions if not billions worth of American businesses are dependent upon South Korean manufacturing.
Namely General Motors, ThyssenKrupp (american divisions), BorgWarner and some other huge Tier One supplier whose name fails me at this time.
Those are four HUGE companies I can think of who employ hundreds of thousands Americans.
Our sister company has multiple machines in Seoul and the surrounding countryside. My brother-in-law has been there numerous times with numerous other suppliers who "outweigh" our company by a wide, wide margin.
China doesn't want US troops in NK. One guess who they would side with if a war started.
China is fine letting NK annoy us, , they're probably laughing at us over it. But China is too invested in us to let this blow up into some major armed conflict.
Such as? Educate me!
Seriously?
Just look at a random piece of electronics and I'd bet there's a decent chance it's from SK.
NK is rich with minerals (iron, copper, coal...).
China had better
But I personally think this is more for the people inside North Korea than those outside it though. They aren't religious fanatics over there. And they couldn't really be stupid enough to follow through with their threats.
I really don't follow politics but I have been reading on North Korea. I'm not supporting another war but North Korea needs to or get off the pot.
Sound like a freaking middle school when some lame gang had it out for another lame gang and the treat was "we have Ak's at home" "We shot our AK's last weekend" So the other lame gang does not do because of this "treat" and all damn year it's back and forth talking until some other lame gangs blind sides them both and all break loose.
Well subs ute Ak's for nukes and it's the same damn , who will be the third party to blind side this and start all kinds of .
Yea, I know that's odd way of saying it but it's past 3 and I'm feeling good.
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