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There are hundreds of thousands of people that conceal carry daily without killing anyone.
However, I do not think it is a good idea to allow conceal/open carry for civilians within the proximity of high ranking elected officials.
How does the board weigh in on this?
Do they side with the gun-owner who has a right to carry?
Or should there be limits put on openly carrying certain kinds of weapons?
At a certain point, does the brandishing of firearms implicitly prohibit freedom of assembly, or freedom of speech?
And for those who are in favor of it, should there be a line that isn't crossed, and if so, where?
There are hundreds of thousands of people that conceal carry daily without killing anyone.
However, I do not think it is a good idea to allow conceal/open carry for civilians within the proximity of high ranking elected officials.
No lines, no boundaries (except schools).
Why schools specifically?
this absolutely is preposterous. it places a burden on the security forces for the president and other elected officials and places the public in danger.
If the secret service is present at a venue, it is considered a federal site. Civilians are not allowed to carry directly on federal sites.
I am very pro-gun control, but the fact of the matter is that they didn't break any of the current laws. All it broke was a kind of unwritten code. I don't like it, to be sure, and I personally don't think that they should have done it, but it is up to Arizonians to fix this. Or a federal law can be passed that states that you cannot carry a weapon x amount of yards from the building that the president is in. As it stands right now there is not much to say.
Legal, but extremely stupid.
You shouldn't bring a freaken gun to a town meeting. I'm all for keeping a gun in the house,perhaps the car but when you start bringing it to carnivales,grocery stores,bowling alleys,town meetings,etc.... You are a asshole and some can argue you might be looking for trouble.
Fairly obvious, I think. Having children around guns at home is normal. Having guns around hundreds (thousands) of children on school grounds...not so much.
Beyond that, I dont care where people carry. One could also assume that an elected official's presence makes it unlawful to carry on the premise. I did forget to mention that exception as well.
But barring those situations, no, I dont have a problem with people carrying anywhere else (obviously, no-no on the courthouse too). I am quite sure other people do and thats fine. You asked, I answered.
My ratonale says I dont have a rationale. I will constantly side with personal liberty...even at the expense of others people's warm fuzzy feelings. I dont care if you feel safe around guns.
(this isnt directed at you or anyone in particular anymore, LnG, I just use "you" in the third person)
It isnt my fault you have an aversion or no experience with firearms. Just because you feel guns shouldnt be somewhere, doesnt mean I do.
Back to reality...
I fully realize I am in the stark minority. If half the pussies in this country got together and convinced themselves that guns are bad, theyd strike down the 2nd amendment the next day.
I think the current gun laws have gone far enough. I think citizens should be able to own automatic weapons (but not explosives). Not for any grand purpose or reason, but because its my ing choice.
Criminals will get guns. A vast majority (95%+) of gun owners are not criminals. Because 5% are doesnt make it right to restrict everyone in the name of....I dont know what sissies call it. I dont much care either.
Youre winning the gun fight. Youll end up ultimately victorious, I will lose. I am resigned to that. Doesnt make me hate you any less. Whats next after guns are regulated to relative oblivion or outright banned?
I shudder to think what a government that has the audacity to try and pass universal healthcare on an unwilling/unwanting populace would do once the taboo on the Bill of Rights ceases to be. If you put healthcare to a popular vote right now in this country, it would be soundly beaten...to death...with a sledgehammer.
Yet, our government is still trying to get it done, even if its diametrically opposed by its People. They know better than you do, just like you know better than us when it comes to guns.
Dumb rant.
Yeah, ok.
What do you mean by "normal"? Your response seems to skirt the heart of the question: why is it OK to carry guns in some places but not others?
To me, bringing a gun to a town hall meeting and/or event where the POTUS is speaking is not "normal," even if doing so is cons utionally protected.
Also, I think LnGrrrR's point about brandishing firearms at public events raises important questions about one person's cons utionally protected rights possibly encroaching on the First Amendment rights of others.
Last edited by Bartleby; 08-18-2009 at 02:10 PM.
"Assume" was too weak of a word, in retrospect. Forget assume, call it law. Public officials present, no carrying firearms.
at conservatives taking a page out of the Black Panthers' book.
lol, good point chump
And all that led to was more gun control laws. Expect to see a bunch of states and localities passing them soon.
...and you know he (they) were conservative because?
I mean if I were Rahm Emmanuelle, what is one of the MOST crazy things (at lest perceived that way) a conservative could do to help me sell ALL protesters at Town Hall meeting as "Extremists"?
Just saying.
Perhaps you could tell me what it is about this man that makes you think he is a liberal -- aside from your conspiracy theory, of course.
tough guy.
what a dork.
i'd get someone to say things like this for starters.
It's all fine though. It's just a matter of time before some Obama supporter shows up packing too, then they can shoot each other real good and settle their differences American-style.
He's neither clean shaven, nor is his shirt tucked in.
Perhaps you could tell me what it is about this man that makes you think he is a liberal -- aside from your conspiracy theory, of course.
-Nancy Pelosi
I didn't ask Nancy Pelosi, I asked you.
What makes you think he's a liberal?
I think his actions and his words in interviews make him a conservative.
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