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These idiots are also tripping motion sensors, forcing agents to check on a false alarm. MENSA should be calling any day now.
A stupid idea just got even stupider...
Yahoo NewsThree volunteers patrolling the border for illegal immigrants were being investigated after a man told authorities he was held against his will and forced to pose for a picture holding a T-shirt with a mocking slogan.
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Carol Capas, a sheriff's office spokeswoman, said the 26-year-old Mexican man told agents he was physically restrained and forced to hold a shirt while his picture was taken and he was videotaped.
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Wha? White supremists among the minute men? Say it ain't so...
Minuteman organizer James Gilchrist defends white supremacists from Alan Colmes: "Why are you picking on them?"
Reacting to Fox News host Alan Colmes's reference to news reports that white supremacists may have joined the Minuteman Project's efforts to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the United States via the Mexican border, Minuteman organizer James Gilchrist condemned supremacists but contended that "there are supremacist groups out there of all races, colors and creeds" and accused Colmes of "picking on" the white supremacists. Gilchrist has acknowledged that "white supremacists want us to wage a full battle at the border," but has denied that he is a racist: "Some people have said I'm racist, and that's just not true. ... My son-in-law is a full-on Mexican, and my grandson is half-Mexican."
These idiots are also tripping motion sensors, forcing agents to check on a false alarm. MENSA should be calling any day now.
On the surface, it sounds like a good idea: American citizen volunteers patrolling the border of Arizona and Mexico, calling into the official Border Patrol when illegal entry is observed. What could be wrong with that?
But, of course, a group such as this one is bound to attract the type of people who hopped on their horses and joined the Sheriff's posse in the old West, or who joined up with citizens of like mind to burn crosses on the lawns of - or to lynch - people of the "wrong color."
Obviously, something has to be done about illegal immigration, but what? And by whom? Would it be too farfetched to ask Congress to supply the money to hire the necessary number of trained border patrol officers? If we are so enmeshed in a war against terrorism, so damned afraid that terrorists can enter our country through unprotected borders - North and South, why aren't we just coughing up the cash to get the hundreds of agents we need?
Shortly after George W. took office, I received a paltry check from the government which was my share of the big tax cut. I would rather do without a three-figure check, if it would help pay for an additional guardian of our borders for half a week. The check certainly didn't get me far, and I suspect that the majority of my friends and neighbors were equally perplexed in regards to how best spend this small gift so that it would benefit the American economy. In the end, of course, we all piddled this tax cut check away, dribbling it out over months and making no impact whatsoever on the economy (Of course, the wealthiest among us, who received the largest cut, immediately put it in the bank or invested it, rather than using it for purchasing American-made products).
Well, I ramble. To return to the original topic, the so-called "War on Terrorism" is going nowhere and will go nowhere because it's highly touted by the Bush Administration, but woefully underfunded by the Bush Administration. There is also the pressure of the farm conglomerates who regularly hire illegal aliens on a seasonal basis. These en ies have no interest in stopping the entry of undo ented workers. The fact that these people have no rights to the same pay, health insurance, unemployment benefits, Social Security benefits, isn't lost on these people.
Don't get me started on this subject! I get way too involved and angry, but I will certainly welcome other comments.
You know, I'm behind these guys one bit. The government has done jack ing to close off those borders, and this is causing attention.
Minutemen cleared of holding illegal immigrant against his will
The Cochise County Sheriffs Department investigates three volunteers with the Minuteman Project after an illegal immigrant claimed he was held against his will.
The incident was caught on videotape and this afternoon County officials decided not to press charges against the Minutemen volunteers.
Cameron Sawyer from Utah shot the video of Bryan Barton of California coming in contact with an illegal border crosser on Wed.
It's that illegal border crosser a 26 year old from Obregon who claims he was held against his will. Even though the video tape clearly shows the man getting food, water, and towards the end of the tape money. Sheriff's Spokeswoman Carol Capas says " he told our investigators he was physically held against his will."
Cochise County Sheriff's investigators Border patrol agents, Mexican Consulate and Co. Atty's office reviewed the tape. Capas says " the co. Atty. Said there was not a substantial case of someone being held against their will in this incident."
After finding no legal wrong doing what's drawing attention to the incident is Barton giving the 26 year old man a t-shirt. Like the one he was wearing. It reads: Bryan Barton caught me crossing the border and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.
Chris Simcox one of the organizers of the Minuteman project credits the Minutemen for saving the illegal immigrants life. He says this shows they have compassion and aren't anti immigrant at all.
As for the t-shirt scene... he says Bryan Barton is running for congress in California and he has flair."
Those mean old racist, Bush loving, Blue Collar TV watching Nazi bas s are terrorizing those poor little illegal aliens with their "enforcing the laws" and "attempting to help secure the border" and "providing food and water as they await the Border Patrol". Abu Ghraib! Abu Ghraib!!!
Living in Arizona, all I can tell you is this entire thing is being terribly misrepresented in the media. Even our local media is guilty of it.
If our @#$@! governor would get with it and understand the definition of illegal, we wouldn't have needed prop 200, and California wouldn't have needed prop 187.
I heard a live interview with Barton today. He gave the illegal some water, food, $20, and posed with the illegal in the picture (with the t-shirt). There was no detaining him against his will. There's a tape of the entire exchange, which is why he wasn't charged with anything.
The rednecks and racists were sent home right after showing up. Sadly, the pictures of them are what the media are circulating.
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This is the kind of that annoys me with left side a lot of the time. I can't stand when they portray citizens taking control of situations as bad. It's the same damn thing with gun control. There are times when citizens want to protect this damn country because their government refuses to.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
It's just a matter of time before somebody gets killed.
They don't have the training.
Well, it's only a matter of time before a terrorist smuggles something in through that swiss cheese of defense we call border patrol. The government needs to fix this , and these people are right in what they are doing to draw attention to it.
They are doing instead of just ing. And that, in my eyes, is the best way to get what you want and what you need. Props to these guys for not sitting around and waiting for their so called elected representatives to actualy represent them properly.
it is a huge "neighborhood watch" imo...
There is a lot of ex military in this group.
how much training do you need to see an illegal crossing the border and calling the border patrol?
There's no incentive for the government officials to stop illegal immigration. Who would raise their children?
Being ex-military doesn't make you qualified to be a border patrol agent.
Are any of these fellows monitoring the Canadian border?
Wait till the dry June Arizona heats sets in. These yahoos will go back to their air conditioned moble homes and watch NASCAR and play Nintendo all day again.
Neither does being a cactus in an empty desert. I prefer these guys.Being ex-military doesn't make you qualified to be a border patrol agent.
What the does a cactus have to do with anything?
I prefer trained border patrol agents but since Bush is going to give amnesty to illegal aliens, of all nationalities mind you, I don't see him pumping more money where it is needed. HERE AT HOME. But would rather spend billions on Iraq.
Yeah, this Chris Simcox guy is a real sweetheart.Chris Simcox one of the organizers of the Minuteman project credits the Minutemen for saving the illegal immigrants life. He says this shows they have compassion and aren't anti immigrant at all.
aila.comOur third major foray into immigration came in late 2002 in response to reports from the border that indicated vigilante activity was on the rise. In a series of e-mails obtained by the Center, the vigilante nature of Ranch Rescue's activities (including alleged attacks on migrants) that year were detailed. Rob Krott, the chief foreign correspondent for Soldier of Fortune magazine and an accomplished mercenary, wrote to Ranch Rescue members outlining their mission's goals as to "observe and surveill border incursions" and "deter criminal trespass." Earlier in the year, Spencer had moved his entire operation to the Arizona border and started up American Border Patrol, a group that claimed it would use high-tech devices, including aircraft drones, to monitor border-crossers. In addition, Chris Simcox, another California transplant who had recently purchased the local Tombstone Tumbleweed newspaper, established a new militia called Civil Homeland Defense. Simcox held weapons training and ran patrols throughout the Arizona border region. In addition, Ranch Rescue was still patrolling ranches in the area, as well as in Texas, as were the Barnetts on almost every weekend. To cover these activities, the Report dispatched staff writer Bob Moser to Arizona for two weeks.
Moser found that not only was vigilantism exploding at the border, but it was also apparently becoming more violent - and race-based. Moser's interview with Simcox, for example, drew out a racial animus that at least partially explained his intense interest in apprehending border-crossers. Moser also discovered that there had been several highly su ious shooting incidents in which border-crossers were murdered. In a sidebar, Moser do ented a series of incidents where weapons were brandished or discharged by ranchers and others detaining border-crossers.
Ultimately, the Center's work on immigration paid off in the form of a lawsuit by our legal department. In May 2003, the Center, with the help of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and the law firms of Ricardo de Anda and John Judge, sued Ranch Rescue, three of its members including leader Jack Foote, and Texas ranch owner Joseph Sutton. The suit alleged that individuals in the group had assaulted and falsely imprisoned six plaintiffs, illegal border crossers who were unfortunate enough to find themselves on Sutton's ranch while Ranch Rescue was conducting operations there. Our hope is that this suit will serve as a warning to ranchers throughout the Southwest that there will be a high price to pay for those who allow armed vigilantes to ply their trade on their ranch lands.
The latest episode in the rise of a hard-line anti-immigration movement began last fall, when Report staffers realized that an effort to take control of the board of the Sierra Club by immigration restrictionists was under way. In October, based on our research, I sent a lengthy letter to Club President Larry Fahn warning of a "hostile takeover attempt" by anti-immigration forces allied with Tanton and others. The Center also decided to run co-founder Morris Dees for the Club's board as a way of bringing additional attention to the purported takeover attempt from the national media. At this writing, it appears likely that the attempt to take over the Club will lose. But that will not be known until late April, when the Club is expected to officially announce the results of its hotly contested board elections.
Well, duh.I prefer trained border patrol agents
Therein lies the problem, though. There aren't enough.
Well, duh, tell it to Dubya.
Dan have you ever been near the border with Mexico? Have you ever lived near it? You sure like to sterotype people.
What do you think the Minutemen are doing?Well, duh, tell it to Dubya.
I'd say this is more effective than a letter to the State Representative or the White House, wouldn't you? Instead of partisan complaining for the sake of complaining, which seems to be your solution.
Your complaining about nothing isn't a solution either. And I wasn't complaining just stating my opinion.
Yeah, I feel a lot safer at night now that the Minutemen are on patrol.
I'm not complaining. I'm approving of what the Minutemen are trying to do, provided they act in a legal manner. I prefer it to the other REAL option, which involves an empty desert where immigrants can cross freely.
It's not like Bush is going to stack the desert with trained patrolmen if the Minutemen would only get out of the way. If you want to debate closed borders vs. open borders, that itself is another issue.
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