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Why would the Raptors trade Calderon AND Bargnani for TP?
I'm not one of those knee-jerk fans that wants a trade immediately. We look good on Paper, but together we have problems on the defensive and on the offensive end. Some of the problems are due to new players, some however are not. If we aren't right by January here are some ideas that could be considered. Your opinions, tweaks are welcome (somewhat?).
In my opinion the problems most caused will be between RJ/Parker. Duncan/Ginobili are pretty much here for good. RJ can get you some needed pieces for his $14million contract. Parker can do the same with his $12million contract.
Options
1 -RJ to Pacers in exchange for F-C Troy Murphy/F-G Dahntay Jones
2 -RJ to Bobcats in exchange for F-G SJAX/C- Diop
3 -RJ to Rockets in exchange for F - Scola/F-Battier
4 -TP to Raptors for G - Calderon/ F-C Bargnani
Pros +/- Cons
Option 1 Pros / Murphy will provide solid 3pt shooting and solid rebounding that Bonner doesnt provide. Dahntay Jones has been rather suprising on the offensive end and will provide the team a defensive specialist that has been lacking at the 2/3 positions. Option 1 Cons / Murphy is getting $11million for 2yrs. Is he worth it? Is RJ worth $14million for 2yrs? He is also somewhat injury prone. Dahntay Jones as much as he has improved offensively will not help as much as RJ or as a perimeter shooter to space the floor for TP.
Option 2 Pros / SJax will provide clutch shooting and length to defend against PF's that are agile if Pop keeps going small. Diop will provide size to defend against the Bigs that are in the west. He can also move his feet pretty well to protect the Paint. Option 2 Cons / SJax is a headcase and allready got kicked out of SA. Diop has a large contract and is a LIABILITY on offense.
Option 3 Pros / Scola provides A solid midrange jumper to give TP space to Penetrate and has a post game. And he can rebound very well. Battier provides a solid perimeter defender who doesnt need alot of help. He also provides A 3pt shot that also spaces the floor for TP. Option 3 Cons / Scola although a good rebounder is only 6-9 and will do good but will still have a little bit of trouble with the tall PF's in the west. Battier can shoot well and Defend, however as far as creating for others and being able to get to the paint/line he is not as good as RJ.
Option 4 Pros / Calderon is a solid PG, he can find people in their spots and doesnt take bad shots and doesnt turn the ball over. He lead the league in ast/turn ratio the last 2 seasons(that stat was for you mel_13). Bargnani is a 7footer that can shoot/Post and put the ball on the floor. He is also a pretty decent shotblocker. Option 4 Cons / Calderon is a bad defender and cant break the defense down like Parker. He also makes $8million for 4yrs. Bargnani can do alot of things well offensively, but Defensively he is a bit lazy. For being 7feet tall he doesnt get enough rebounds. In both cases, their defense (or lack their of) may be a product of Jay Triano's coaching.
Their are other options out their, but i thought that these teams in particular would be good. The Bobcats/Pacers aren't going anywhere. The Rockets and Raptors may start well, however after a few games their true nature may come out and theyll be willing to deal. Tell me what you think, yes or no's. Tweaks, adjustments etc. Keep in mind this is only if things aint right by January/February, as in we are still hovering around or even below 500.
Why would the Raptors trade Calderon AND Bargnani for TP?
I don't see any of the other teams wanting to do it...
Plus change. which could mean Mahinmi/Bonner. TP might help Bosh to stay. Bargnani and Calderon wont. Once again a possible if there start to suck really bad and Bosh starts mouthing off.
Why would the Raptors trade Calderon AND Bargnani for TP?
Paper!
Bargnani isn't leaving Toronto...
Thats cool, I dont want TP or RJ gone if thats what you think. But I also can see us being the Blazers from 2000-2002. Lots of talent and no cohesion.
I thought this was going to be about Dr. Scholl's insoles, not another trade idea due to someone panicking in November.
I oughta try that next time, and see how many spurstalk members suffer from footpain like I do. Like I said in my intro, this is only if later on (JAN/FEB) were not right. I'm not freaking out now. I'm freaking out later
The only trade I would inclued TP in at this point is for Dwill, but why would Utah do this? heh
Where do spur fans keep getting the idea that Jax was kicked out of SA because he's a headcase?
DWILL success is partially because of Jerry Sloans magnificent system. However his court vision and ability to score at the same time outdoes TP. In answer Utah is kinda a contender. At least enough of one not to give up their floor general.
Would you want him back here? I dont personally, but I could see that as a possible solution to alot of problems. Pop is not going to stop the small ball. The plus with SJAX is that he knows what its like to play small ball. He did it with Don Nelson and was successful.
Is Calderon better than Parker in your mind, port?
Ok, I'll bite.
Options 1, 3, and 4 are non-starters for the other team.
1. Indiana has Granger and Dunleavy. They're not trading a big to add another SF, especially one that makes 15M.
3. The Rockets have Ariza and Battier for less than what RJ makes. Why in the world would they give up Scola in order to upgrade from Battier to RJ? Makes no sense.
4. Similar reasoning for Toronto. The trade essentially comes down to them giving up Bargnani in order to upgrade from Calderon to Parker. I would think that you, more than just about anyone here, would judge that price much too high.
The only one that looks like any sort of possibility to even begin a conversation is the Bobcat option, just not with RJ as the bait. One could imagine a scenario where Manu never gets healthy and Jackson wears out his welcome with Larry Brown. In that case, a trade featuring Manu's expiring contract and Jackson as the main pieces becomes possible. If the deal is expanded to include an excess MLE center from Charlotte, I'd rather have Nazr for 2 years than Diop for 4 years.
DWilliams or CP3. parker, i think, is untouchable.
Nope, But a combo deal i'd be willing to look into. Calderon comes up cause of his abilities and the team he's on. Like I said in my intro, There are other possibilities. However I thought those 4 teams would be suitable.
So you think that the gap in talent between Parker and Calderon is made equal by Bargnani?
I would like that deal!!! Age with Nazr is what concerned me. Giving up Manu for SJAX i dont know? Like I said in another post, the more Manu gets injured the better it is for the spurs to keep him at a cheaper price, say the MLE.
If Manu becomes unable to play for the rest of the year somehow then I trade him to Charlotte for Jax.
Looking at our needs if things dont get right yes!!
Then, I would bite immediately!!! As skip bayless once said. "no Manu, no win"
I am talking about Toronto's point of view. Is the upgrade they get from swapping out Calderon with Parker, worth Bargnani?
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