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He's doing okay but need him to do more...more driving to the rim and helping out when Dirk is off. Also he can play solid D and needs to step-up along with Marion come playoff time to shut down SG/SF's
BEAST
krofl @ you re ed spurfans and such who said J-Ho for him was lateral AT BEST
He's doing okay but need him to do more...more driving to the rim and helping out when Dirk is off. Also he can play solid D and needs to step-up along with Marion come playoff time to shut down SG/SF's
Butler is better than Howard, but that's not saying very much considering Howard's recent contributions.
Time will tell whether the Mavs got good value for Howard's contract. In the very short term, we'll see how much he can help in this year's playoffs. In the slightly longer term, we'll see how Butler at 10.5M for next season measures up against what else Howard's contract could have been traded for between the end of the season and July 1st.
According to the numbers, the Mavericks got worse by trading Butler for Howard. Since leaving for Washington, Howard's pantomime skills in the backseat of a Buick while kicking a gerboa is rated at 67.8958, while Butler is at a mere 62.11892, clearly the Mavericks would have been better off keeping Howard.
lol john hollabackgirl
typical butthurt spurfan, trying to downplay the trade to pump their own nads up
lol jefferson
This was a good trade no matter what.
WE got two serviceable players for a CORPSE (literally) and a blackhole. Mavs would not have gone 14-2 since the ASB with Howard/GOoden instead of Butler/Haywood. In fact they'd arguably be battling for 6-8 slots.
My mistake for trying to respond reasonably in this thread.
Every trade can be evaluated at time it is made and then, later, with the benefit of hindsight. The immediate evaluation of this trade is very positive for the Mavs. How it will be viewed in July won't be known until July.
Howard sucks. Howard is out. Howard will suck even more when he returns. Mavs got a HUGE break from the Wiz.
carons contract expires next season too, just like dampiers. so down the road, its about as useful as howards. so the mavs really didnt lose anything there. if anything, they gained because Butler has a far superior rep, and is still playing well, and isnt injury prone, unlike howard on all accounts.
Butler's a beast against an injury plagued CHI game playing on a tail end of a back to back.
Other than that, he's all right and definitely an improvement over Howard.
Howard's trade value had nothing to do with his skills as a basketball player and everything to do with how his contract was structured.
He is under contract for next year with a TEAM OPTION. That contract was used in the Butler trade as an expiring contract attractive to a team looking to dump salary at the trade deadline.
Unlike other expiring contracts, it can be used from the end of the season until the option date, presumably July 1st, for the same purpose. So Washington can use his contract in that window to trade for a 10M player, or package of players, that some team looking to dump salary wants to move.
We won't know what players will fall into that category until the end of the season. At that time, we'll know what other options, aside from Butler, could have been acquired in exchange for Howard's contract.
Winning the NBA championship will make this a moot point. Any result short of that leaves it a valid point of discussion.
See above. Howard's contract is substantially different from Butler's.
Blah, blah, blah....... Howard ing SUCKS. I say everyone of the players got in return for that piece of is better than Howard. You keep talking about contracts and . Botton line, Dallas got better players .
Howard sucks. His contract is awesome.
Mel_13 = butthurt
fact
krofl
Terrible mistake to try to engage Mavfan in a reasonable discussion.
Mel_13 = butthurt
fact
krofl
He was also great against the Magic when the Mavs beat them by 10 on the road.
terrible mistake to think that spurfan could be anything other than butthurt and trollable
proving my point
It's your fault my friends...It's not their fault they are blind and stupid..
No,to reply to you..
Yes,he had an excellent contract but this Mavericks team needed a boost NOW, Kidd is 36,Terry is 32,Damp 34 and Marion 31 I think...And of course Dirk is 31 himself...You can't just let the time pass with these guys...They are on the decline...You don't waste a year on a what if opportunity..
Can you understand why is this a great trade now?
I stated clearly that the immediate evaluation of the trade is that it is excellent for the Mavs.
Whether it will be viewed as such in July will not be known until July.
In any trade assets are given up. Once given up those assets cannot be used in any future trade. Howard's contract was an asset. It was used in a trade to immediately improve the team. If I were the Mavs GM, I would have made the trade. FO's operate in the here and now, as they should. The longer term impact of the trade will not be known for some time. Not sure how that is being read as criticism of the trade.
He's doing okay but need him to do more...more driving to the rim and helping out when Dirk is off. Also he can play solid D and needs to step-up along with Marion come playoff time to shut down SG/SF's
You tell them brohan!
Truth is, there is no guarantee that they would have gotten anything for Howard's contract. For all we know, nothing could have ended up on the table, and the Mavs may just have ended up stuck with Howard for another awful year. At least with this trade, we got something good for him, and although maybe not as good of a contract as howards, still a guy who has appealing trade value. He also seems to have a skill-set and mentality that, if he stayed as a Maverick, would likely allow him to play at a high level for several more years, and still be a desirable trade piece down the road, whereas this was bascially it for Howard, now and likely forever, as he was doing nothing but regressing rapidly in numerous areas.
You tell them brohan!
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