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    So I hear from Yahoo! news that Newt Gingrich has informed us all that Obama is the "most radical president ever" and the mastermind of a "secular, socialist machine."

    (I will pause while the Critique From The Left contingent convulses with bitter ironic laughter.)

    You know what, Newt? STFU. You're done. You had nothing to offer but obstructionism and hatred back in the Clinton era and clearly not a single atom of your heart, mind, or hair has evolved in any way since then. (I suppose that is only to be expected, given your base's stance on that whole question.) All that bull you pulled out during the "Contract for America" days--or, as we old-timers used to call it, "The Contract On America"--well, you guys had 8 years to execute your master plan for the salvation of the United States of America and its collective soul under your idiot king George W. Bush. You guys happy with how that worked out? No? Well, a) you had your shot b) you blew it and c) wouldn't this maybe suggest to you that your master plan was a load of crap?

    Still no, you say? Well, that's what the Bush administration years suggested to a lot of *other* Americans who used to think you were awesome.

    So, you know, go ahead and spew what's in you all over whatever media outlets you can reach; but don't expect people to care. Cause all you've got to offer is the same that didn't work last time, and the only difference is that you're now 15 years older and less telegenic than you were when you first brought it forth.

    While I'm on the subject: Karl Rove, do you *seriously* think anyone's going to buy your memoirs and read them thinking, "Ah, at last, the truth!"? Seriously now. In this economy, who's s ing out their hard-earned dough to pay for the kind of boldfaced lying we used to be able to get for free from you?

    But you know what, Newt, go ahead and run. Cause the whole old-cranky-conservative with no new ideas thing worked out so well for you last time. Oh, sorry, I meant it worked out so well for *us.*

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    Did Newt bring down the WTC?

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    Are you the Plaid Adder? Or are you just a thief?

    http://journals.democraticundergroun...id%20Adder/206

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    "most radical president ever" and the mastermind of a "secular, socialist machine."

    Orwellian debasement of language. in Repugs and coservatives, teabaggers, will spout total fantasies.

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    "most radical president ever" and the mastermind of a "secular, socialist machine."
    Obama shares his predecessor's radical views about the powers of his own office and even exceeds him at times. Obama also to seems take open-ended war and nation-building for granted like Bush. All that makes him pretty radical in my book, but I do realize my version of orthodoxy is no longer orthodox.

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    To put things somewhat more conventionally, Obama is a pragmatic, establishmentarian centrist, not a fire-breathing commie.

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    Further to the left than the GOP? Sure. But not by very much.

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    Are you the Plaid Adder? Or are you just a thief?

    http://journals.democraticundergroun...id%20Adder/206
    It's awfully nice of you to ask. Every just assumes Yoni is a thief for doing exactly the same thing.

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    Further to the left than the GOP? Sure. But not by very much.
    Example: his version of socialized medicine is a massive sellout to the pharmaceutical lobby and insurance companies.

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    By means of the ty mandate, naturally.

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    Obama swiped the Hilary/McCain scheme, after running against it.

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    You feel it don't you Dan


    The Newt Train is coming!

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    Yes. A toy train operating in a political blind alley.

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    Choo, choo!

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    Obama swiped the Hilary/McCain scheme, after running against it.
    Are you talking about the individual mandate here? Was McCain ever in favor of that?

    I may be wrong about this, but the only McCain healthcare idea that Obama partly adopted (after having opposed it during the campaign) was the elimination of the healthcare benefits exemption. Obama merely limited it to Cadillac plans. Say what you will about that idea, it's definitely not a sellout to the pharmaceutical lobby or the insurance companies.

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    I really have no idea. I've heard some noise about how the individual mandate was a Republican idea. I know it wasn't part of the 2008 platform. But I wouldn't be surprised if McCain had flip-flopped along the way.

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    He swiped features of both. Certainly Hilary and McCain didn't have the same scheme.

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    Hilary had the mandate, McCain would've taxed the benefit.

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    to put things somewhat more conventionally, obama is a pragmatic, establishmentarian centrist, not a fire-breathing commie.
    +1

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    To put things somewhat more conventionally, Obama is a pragmatic, establishmentarian centrist, not a fire-breathing commie.
    If you call hem a centrist, then you must be off the deep left edge.

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    I guess you didn't notice I also called Obama radical upstream.

    The center is radical now; the so-called right is even more radical.

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    Obama shares his predecessor's radical views about the powers of his own office and even exceeds him at times. Obama also to seems take open-ended war and nation-building for granted like Bush. All that makes him pretty radical in my book, but I do realize my version of orthodoxy is no longer orthodox.
    it makes him as radical as any president over the past 3 decades but no different.

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    it makes him as radical as any president over the past 3 decades but no different.
    And far less "radical" than either Teddy or Franklin Delano R., both of whom ran progressive administrations, both of which were well-loved.

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    With regard to executive power, there's a qualitative break after 9/11. That's what I was referring to.

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    And far less "radical" than either Teddy or Franklin Delano R., both of whom ran progressive administrations, both of which were well-loved.
    certainly far less progressive but i think obama has been just as imperialistic as teddy when it comes to foreign policy.

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