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MJ's still got da fire. I swear, dat man still wants to take da court.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'" Jordan said after playing in a celebrity golf tournament in Nevada. "But that's ... things are different. I can't say that's a bad thing. It's an opportunity these kids have today. In all honesty, I was trying to beat those guys."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5391478
Just like Duncan wanted to beat Shaq Daddy for taking us out of the Playoffs for 01 and 02.
Then in 03 MVP fourth quarter Romping!!!!!
Come to think of it
Robinson
Duncan
Jackson
Ginobili
Parker
Best starting line up for years to come.
I'm new to Spurstalk. Cheers.
Go Spurs Go
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MJ's still got da fire. I swear, dat man still wants to take da court.
I doubt that, compe ively, if the Bulls had the chance to land Larry Bird or Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan wouldn't lobby his Owner and GM to get the job done. How compe ive would he truly have been if he had decided he had to do this without another big name on his team? That's just plain ludicrious.
I don't like LeBron, or that Miami trio thing, but I find some of the criticism unnecessary. Why would LeBron need to win anything the MJ way? Why should he be compared to MJ, he's miles behind MJ.
He's yet to get out of the Malone-Ewing-Barkley club and that's what's on his mind above all I think.
+1 its amazing how much credit they give that loser
im not going to say i wouldnt enjoy it, if it happened to the spurs but something about it takes away from the ring maybe im totally wrong & being a hater haha . I just remeber when we got ours we earned the crap out of it in every aspect &always being doubted up until the last game.
This city was so damn proud of our team (still are) but i think miami will just get y kinda like L.A not really proud just super arrogant.theyll find out this trio will take away from their indiv. legacies, lets hope theyre beatable hahaha
If the Bulls had drafted Dennis Hopson instead of Scottie Pippen, Jordan would have gone somewhere else.
Kobe lobbied for it (and got his owner to move shaq). Now, we often question Kobe's leadership, character, and even intelligence - but does anybody question his compe iveness?
If your goal is to solely win championships - then you want all the talent around you possible. If your goal is to be the best individual player (which you can sacrifice statistics and still do), then you want to win championships without be surrounded by half the all NBA team.
Nobody can begrudge Lebron for making this move (just the way he went about it), but he did take himself out of the running for GOAT.
I'm pretty sure in 2k11 he is! Lmao.
+1
How do you figure? Name an NBA champion who has done it without a stellar supporting cast?
Kobe has Gasol, Odom, Artest.
Shaq had Kobe, Fisher, Fox, etc.
Jordan had Pippen, Rodman, and some amazing role players.
Duncan has had Parker, Manu, Bowen, and Robinson, not to mention a few other guys who really stepped it up (Horry, Elliott, etc).
Perhaps the ONLY teams in NBA history that won les without a truly legitimate 2nd man are Duncan's 03 Spurs and Hakeem's 94 Rockets.
I love that Jordan is the GoaT with one of the other 50 greatest players on his team, but LeBron is because he wants someone else in his uniform that actually might step on the court for the All-Star game after 7 years. And no, Mo Williams doesn't count.
MJ is en led to his opinion, yeh his the guy that drafted brown and morrison
My favorite part of that interview was when jordan was talking about the money these kids are making and then said, how he would "love to play today against the greats like kobe and TIM DUNCAN"
MJ, Lebron, LEGACIES!!!!
WGAF about a legacy?
It is in basketball...we are not talking about who left a legacy by curing cancer or curing aids or helping mankind in some great way....
I repeat --- all this talk about who is better Kobe or Lebron...who can win this le without the least help...who can blah,blah in' blah....
only LAKER FANS and casual ESPN watchers care about that ....
There is an inherent danger in letting a dream team concentration of talent occur. BB is a sport in which a relative small number of supperstars could easily tilt the balance of power into a monopoly on championships.
Owners have tried to ac ulate a monopoly of talent in various sports (Steinbrenner & the Yankees come to mind) but it is more difficult in sports where larger numbers of players are playing at the same time.
The problem is already apparent when most FAs want to go to NY, Boston and LA as their preference. Miami as a 'destination' may be only an abberation for these players as a one time decision, but it could also cause a change for the future.
Basketball's only protection from such an ac ulation of talent is the salary cap and luxury tax ---and the owners appreciation that such a lop-sided talent situation would not be good for the league in the long run. Our own Angelo Drossos sold this idea to the league to save it from itself by making the small market franchises viable. Now this is in danger because of the actions of players in determining the direction of the league.
It may be impossible to prevent players from colluding and making these types of moves now or in the future, but it can't help the league. Fans may go out to see their hometeam play a 'dream team' when they come to town as they still turn our for the Harlem Globetrotters vs. their 'patsies', but who wants season tickets or playoff tickets to a hopeless cause?
Jordan tried to get Barkley to join the Bulls but Barkley wanted to beat the Bulls so I never pay attention to stuff like this, Michael must have forgotten that.
I never said that it could be done without help - only that Kobe's attempt to do it without Shaq did not indicate a lack of compe iveness, only a lack of intelligence.
BTW, Pippen was a nice player in his own right - but he doesn't sniff the top 50 list without MJ's coattails.
Everybody knows that you need help to win it, but there is also a lot to be said for trying to beat the other top players in the game, not giving up and joining them.
Kobe didn't want to win championships, he didn't want to share the spotlight.
agree whole-heartedly with it all ...
One thing i would add is that Shaq's ego is what damaged that team more than Kobe's ...
Shaq's unwillingnes to cede to the young star Like Kareem did with magic, David did with Tim, and the elder Shaq did with Wade ... ultimately is why the early 2000's Lakers were undone ...that and the ascension of duncan and the Spurs ....
And cue the Kobe revisionists. Gotta make sure and misinform at every opportunity or people will remember that Kobe was the reason Shaq was traded, or that the Spurs were injured during the Lakers threepeat.
Shaq demanded a trade after Buss refused to pay him what he wanted and Phil Jackson left. Somehow over the years thats been twisted into Kobe got Shaq traded.
Please educate me Obstructed? no trash talk ...honest debate here.
First: I was in L.A. It was Shaq that refused to mention Kobe's name at the strat of training camp in (2003 I believe) and that he wanted to recover from surgery to get back to his teammates: Fish, horry, Fox and shaw and omitted Kobe's name.
Reporter asked him "what about Kobe" he repeated the names again.
Second: Shaq also said "if the big dog is not getting fed the big dog don't protect the house ... when being questioned about the lack of Laker's defense after a tough loss IIRC ...
Shaq for a vet was petty, childish and should of taken the David Robinson example of how to welcome a young superstar but he never did in L.A.
Third: Read my post i said the ascencion of the spurs was ALSO a big part of why the Lakers uraveled. I am not revising history. i wish Shaq had Duncan's post game and kobe duncan's humility (well at least some i think Kobe's edge is essential to his game)
I am not one of the ones who knocks the spurs success unless provoked ...but i am trying to not allow that either.
duncan is one of my favorite all-time non Laker players AND i have posted numerous times that after duncan's rookie year i predicted he would better than shaq and wanted to trade Shaq for duncan.
There SPUR fans on here who thaink shaq was better than Duncan.
Jordan. That asshat cut into David Robinson's HOF speech.
Shaq demanded a trade after finding out that the Lakers weren't going to keep Phil Jackson because Kobe was going to sign with the Clippers if they didn't get rid of him. Don't try to bull people that were actually around back then.
One more thing injuries ...seriously?
That is as bush-league as phil putting an asterisk by the '99 le.
I don't cry about Bynum and Ariza in '08 ...we got our asses whupped end of story.
Injuries are part of the game and without a big one to David the spurs franchise may not have 4 rings ...
But they do and earned every last one of them ...
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