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    Media Matters: Conservatives' perpetual dishonesty machine
    July 30, 2010 3:37 pm ET


    Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh regularly tout their supposed accuracy and often claim their critics never prove them wrong. Fittingly, this in itself is a complete falsehood. Limbaugh and Beck are wrong for a living, but have been rewarded for their perpetual wrongness by assuming the role of the two most important cogs in the conservative media.

    Every day, the conservative noise machine -- Fox News, Beck, Limbaugh, and other prominent conservative talk radio hosts and bloggers -- hurl false accusations with the hopes of damaging the Obama administration, Democrats, and progressives politically. Make no mistake: this is the primary motivation for the majority of the stories they promote. Pesky things like "facts" and "reality" are, at best, a trivial concern.

    Often, these attacks are baseless, easily debunked, and laughably absurd -- yet conservative media outlets rarely (if ever) offer corrections when they are proven wrong. Instead they either double down on their attacks or simply ignore that they were wrong in the first place and move on to the next overhyped bit of nonsense.

    While it may seem like a minor story in the grand scheme of things, one example from this week perfectly exemplifies the utter lack of journalistic standards endemic to conservative media.

    Early this week, conservatives were in their usual panic mode over what they claimed was evidence that the Obama administration "backed" or "preferred" the release of Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the terrorist better known as the Lockerbie bomber. As we pointed out, reports -- often the same reports these conservatives were linking to in order to make their arguments -- indicated that the administration wanted Megrahi to "remain imprisoned in view of the nature of the crime."

    Fox News twisted reality to claim that the "U.S. Backed Freedom, Not Prison, for Bomber." Matt Drudge splashed a huge headline across his website announcing that the "White House Backed Release Of Lockerbie Bomber." Pam Geller -- whose deranged rantings have earned her frequent appearances on Fox News and bylines on Andrew Breitbart's "Big" websites, Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller, and the American Thinker -- called for a "special investigation" and a "charge of treason" for Obama.

    Rush Limbaugh -- while bragging, as he often does, that he was "executing assigned host duties flawlessly" with "zero mistakes" --claimed that Obama "backed the release" of the Lockerbie bomber because he wanted to "make nice with the Muslim world."

    Late Monday, when the State Department released the administration's correspondence with the Scottish Ministry of Justice, it confirmed in unambiguous terms that the administration was "not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail," and that "it would be most appropriate for Megrahi to remain imprisoned for the entirety of his sentence." They stipulated if he were to be released, he should remain in Scotland rather than risk him receiving an "extremely inappropriate" "welcoming reception" upon being transferred to Libya.

    So, after this story completely fell apart, did conservative media figures correct the record and let their readers/listeners/viewers know that the administration did not "support" or "prefer" the release of the Lockerbie bomber?

    Of course not.

    Conservative blogger Jim Hoft -- whose ongoing popularity and influence in conservative media says a lot about their complete indifference to accuracy and credibility -- linked to the letter and proclaimed that the administration "preferred" his release. This was akin to pointing at the ground and saying "this is the sky."

    Fox Nation, almost 48 hours after the story had completely fallen apart, still had the following headline and image on their front page:

    And you can be sure that in a few months, whenever Sean Hannity or anyone else in the noise machine decides to twist a news story to claim that the Obama administration is "weak on terror," they'll point to the time the administration supposedly "preferred the release of the Lockerbie bomber" in order to buttress their point.

    It's a perpetual dishonesty machine.

    If this were an isolated incident, perhaps it would be possible to (partially) excuse conservative media outlets for their shameless performance "covering" this story. But as we detailed this week, the right-wing media routinely promote fake stories (for example, the epic freak-out over the imaginary Obama proposal to "ban sport fishing.")

    For another good example of how the perpetual dishonesty machine works, have a look at this segment from Tuesday's Fox & Friends. In it, Glenn Beck, Steve Doocy, and Peter Johnson Jr. seized on reports of the U.K. supposedly "admit[ting] its socialized health care is a mess" in order to attack health care reform. They rehashed some old favorites from conservatives' misinformation campaign about health care reform, claiming that we "modeled" reform on the British system and fear mongered about imaginary "death panels." Neither of these attacks were true when they appeared last year, they weren't true this week, and they won't be true the next time Fox's hosts bring them up.

    This pattern is undeniable, and at this point is just expected behavior for the conservative media. The larger problem is that "mainstream" outlets still frequently treat garbage from conservative media figures as newsworthy, and ombudsmen at major newspapers like The Washington Post regularly chastise their colleagues for not seizing on conservative nonsense faster.

    It says a lot about the state of the media when Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, and other prominent media conservatives can be caught pushing a blatantly false story, offer no correction, and have their behavior met with a collective shrug. Conservative media outlets retain their unfortunate power and influence over the public discourse because they are able to lie largely without consequence.

    They did it all this week, they did it all last week, and they'll do it again next week.
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    Why aren't conservative liars like Breitbart ever get called out by the wing-nut media when they are caught lying? Instead, Breitbart is invited to a State dinner with the head of the RNC - WTF?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    well duh..

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    LOL. Media Matters

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    "LOL. Media Matters"

    A less, chicken right-winger fails to respond.

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    Media Matters: Conservatives' perpetual dishonesty machine
    July 30, 2010 3:37 pm ET




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    Why aren't conservative liars like Breitbart ever get called out by the wing-nut media when they are caught lying? Instead, Breitbart is invited to a State dinner with the head of the RNC - WTF?
    Doesn't your question answer itself? Wingnut media, by definition, are unlikely to challenge wingnuts. Invitations to state dinners are incentives, not disincentives.

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    oh noes. Rush Limbaugh is going to take over the world!!!

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    So which of you are in the barrel of this circle jerk?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    the right wing media lies alot...that's nothing new..

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    LOL. Media Matters
    Ad hominem.

    Either they make a valid point or not. Since you have nothing other than a logical fallacy, I can only assume the former.

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    Personally, I think the OP has pretty much hit it on the head.

    Conservative media in this country have really lost touch with both integrity and reality.

    Getting your viewpoint out is one thing, but doing it in such a blatantly dishonest and logically fallacious manner is another.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Ad hominem.

    Either they make a valid point or not. Since you have nothing other than a logical fallacy, I can only assume the former.
    I like Media Matters ..the only people who don't like them are those who are constantly being shown that they are liars..

    my favorite is when the chronic out-of-context-statement-abusers complain that Media Matters takes them out of context.


    The highest form of hypocrisy..

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    I guess Beck, and Limbaugh represent the totality of Conservatism?



    I think not.


    The OP gives little thought to the subject as well.


    Implicitly from the myopic OP: Conservatives own and operate a Dishonesty Machine. It's the only one in existance!

    Beck , Limbaugh, Drudge are the only conservative mouthpieces.

    I ing hate dishonesty on this level. 's why I never take in Limbaugh et al. And then here is the mirror universe: the dystopic creation of a Media Matters OP where they bravely emulate those they despise most.
    Meh.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    I like Media Matters ..the only people who don't like them are those who are constantly being shown that they are liars..

    my favorite is when the chronic out-of-context-statement-abusers complain that Media Matters takes them out of context.


    The highest form of hypocrisy..
    Dude, MM has it's off days too. Get up off your knees, fanboi.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Dude, MM has it's off days too. Get up off your knees, fanboi.
    it doesn't take brain surgeon to point out hypocrisy...

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    it doesn't take brain surgeon to point out hypocrisy...
    It's myopic to only find it in one place.....


    And I use mypoic as a weak place holder for hypocritical.

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    It's myopic to only find it in one place.....


    And I use mypoic as a weak place holder for hypocritical.
    I never said democrats weren't hypocrites..I find it funny that the people who make a living taking statements out of context complain when they are called on it.. to then make the charge that thye are being taken oput of context..

    I don't take people's statements out of context so I can criticize away...

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    I never said democrats weren't hypocrites..I find it funny that the people who make a living taking statements out of context complain when they are called on it.. to then make the charge that thye are being taken oput of context..

    I don't take people's statements out of context so I can criticize away...
    I just think you're cheating yourself out of a big, plateful of irony. You're missing the delicious sauce!

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I just think you're cheating yourself out of a big, plateful of irony. You're missing the delicious sauce!
    When I am being hypocrtical feel free to call me on it.. in the meantime keep to using dime store logic.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    When I am being hypocrtical feel free to call me on it.. in the meantime keep using your dime store logic.
    Does it not strike you as, at least mildly humorous, that MM is engaging in the same modus operandi that it's, obstensibly, striking out against?

    I thought it was ing hilarious. But, I also like the 3 Stooges.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Does it not strike you as, at least mildly humorous, that MM is engaging in the same modus operandi that it's, obstensibly, striking out against?

    I thought it was ing hilarious. But, I also like the 3 Stooges.
    MM is a liberal website.....

    that now I get what you are saying...

    my bad!

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    MM is a liberal website.....

    that now I get what you are saying...

    my bad!
    You get no Bacon.

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    When I am being hypocrtical feel free to call me on it.. in the meantime keep to using dime store logic.
    Ring, Ring. You say don't like liars yet you suck ones kawk on a daily basis.

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    Ring, Ring. You say don't like liars yet you suck ones kawk on a daily basis.
    show me where they lie...

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    I guess Beck, and Limbaugh represent the totality of Conservatism?



    I think not.


    The OP gives little thought to the subject as well.


    Implicitly from the myopic OP: Conservatives own and operate a Dishonesty Machine. It's the only one in existance!

    Beck , Limbaugh, Drudge are the only conservative mouthpieces.

    I ing hate dishonesty on this level. 's why I never take in Limbaugh et al. And then here is the mirror universe: the dystopic creation of a Media Matters OP where they bravely emulate those they despise most.
    Meh.
    Do you think the same of Randi Rhodes, Al Frankin, Robert Kennedy Jr, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann, Ron Reagan, and other liberal pundits who have (or have had) radio programs?

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    Everybody's a liar!

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