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    Despite weak demand in the U.S. and Europe, oil prices climbed this week to near $90 a barrel and gasoline prices have passed $3 a gallon on the West Coast and parts of the Northeast.

    Why? If demand is down and supplies are plentiful — and they are — why would prices be going up?

    Because Wall Street speculators are driving up oil and gasoline prices again — just in time to dampen holiday cheer.

    "It's all about investor optimism, and that's been the story about 2010 ... that's the primary reason why we're seeing oil prices at $90 (a barrel) and gasoline making an uncharacteristic climb in December towards $3 a gallon," said Troy Green, a national spokesman for the AAA Motor Club, which monitors gasoline prices.

    "The money they get from government tax relief, they'll have to go pay in higher prices for food and energy," said Michael Masters, head of Masters Capital Management and a frequent witness before Congress about financial speculation in oil contracts.

    But supplies are abundant, it said in its weekly report, This Week in Petroleum — especially when compared with a few years ago.

    There's been so much oil in storage on land this year that oil tankers were actually converted into floating storage facilities.

    refiners who convert oil into gasoline are operating at extremely low utilization rates.

    Lower production runs create tightened supplies, which in turn drives up prices and sets the table for speculators.

    http://www.truth-out.org/remember-4-...ws+Politics%29


    so the Wall St oil traders speculating up the barrel and refiners are restricting supply. The "free market" at work. Hey, they gotta pay for the their Christmas parties and presents, too.

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    Record oil prices have failed to temper the enthusiasm of Chinese auto buyers. In 2006, 6.2 million cars were sold in China, enough for the Middle Kingdom to surpass Japan for #2 in total vehicle sales (the United States still sells twice as many). In the first five months of 2008, Chinese auto sales show no signs of decelerating, up 17.4% from the same period last year.

    The rise in Chinese auto sales has been so dramatic that projections by China’s government for auto sales in 2020 were already exceeded by 2005.

    Millions of tons of copper, nickel, aluminum have gone into China’s car frenzy, boosting the commodity prices of every raw material involved. But the most pressing consequence of China's great leap into the culture of happy motoring is its impact on crude oil demand.

    Assuming that the 7.3 million new car owners in 2008 each drive 5,000 miles a year, and they achieve 40 miles per gallon, the result would be an additional 45.6 million barrels of crude demand, equivalent to 125,000 bbl/day. In other words, new Chinese drivers will devour 25-30% of the recently promised Saudi production increase in a single year.

    To those predicting an imminent decline in world oil demand, we say: don't bet on it.


    China's oil demand increase 'astonishing', says IEA

    At the current rates of growth of US and China oil imports and consumption, China's oil consumption will match US oil imports by '16-'17. China's oil imports and consumption will reach parity with the US by '21-'22, at which point the US and China will together consume 60% of peak global oil production (assuming 73-75M bbl/day) versus 37-38% today, leaving the rest of the world to adapt to receiving the remaining 40% (35-40% less than is received today).

    However, at the same trend rates of imports and consumption, the US and China will consume 80% of global oil production by the late '20s to early '30s, leaving the rest of the world just 20% of supplies, and China is on track to consume the entire world's oil production by the '40s-'50s; needless to say, this cannot occur.

    Assuming the US and China can secure the necessary oil (???), and that global oil production remains at the plateau since '04-'05 (???), the EU+, Latin America, and Africa will experience a decline in oil supplies/consumption of 35-70% over the next 10-20 years, i.e., 4-6% avg. annual decline over the period. (This does not include faster depletion and/or the higher price of oil reducing growth of demand and thus cutting further supplies/consumption for the EU, Latin America, and Africa.)
    A website that Boutons might agree with, based on the blurb at the top, heh. Data still looks fairly in line tho'.

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    so the Wall St oil traders speculating up the barrel and refiners are restricting supply. The "free market" at work. Hey, they gotta pay for the their Christmas parties and presents, too.
    Nah.

    They are too busy stealing money from municipalities.

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    They might get caught stealing from municipalities, which they have to interact with.

    Commodities speculation is totally secret den of thieves on computers.

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    It was wrong then, and wronger now. USA cheap oil is drilled out.

    Do you really think oil extracted from US dirt is gonna be sold by the extractors cheaper than that imported?

    If pitbull didn't look so drillable to all the bubbas, if she were plain or ugly, she'd be nowhere.

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    OPEC expects $100/barrel is the price where price matches demand, and won't increase production to keep it below that, and of course, they don't GAF if it's $150.

    $5+/barrel is on the horizon.

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    Pssssstttt...

    Boutons...

    I'll tell you a secret.

    The speculators never left!

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    Faux Macho Drugstore Cowboys, Start Your Pristine Pickups.
    Thanks for saying something different.

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    I've seen some noise about this in the financial press. A couple of industry sources predict $150 oil barrels and $5.00 gas next year.

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    I've seen some noise about this in the financial press. A couple of industry sources predict $150 oil barrels and $5.00 gas next year.
    Well, now the the democrats will lose the stranglehold on the economy, it will increase. Oil demands will increase. Simple supply and demand pricing would demand the prices increase.

    Of course, the republicans will get blamed.

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    Well, now the the democrats will lose the stranglehold on the economy, it will increase. Oil demands will increase. Simple supply and demand pricing would demand the prices increase.
    Supply and demand, or "lost stranglehold"?

    Please pick a lane.
    Of course, the republicans will get blamed.
    I don't know about that.

    Who will you blame?

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    I've seen some noise about this in the financial press. A couple of industry sources predict $150 oil barrels and $5.00 gas next year.
    Yeah, the CEO of S was saying $5/gal by 2012 over the weekend. He might be optimistic.

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    Pssssstttt...

    Boutons...

    I'll tell you a secret.

    The speculators never left!
    correct they just lost an assload of money and needed to get it back.

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    Funny, I went fishing offshore from Port Aransas back in October/November...we went about 60 miles out. There were loaded down medium sized oil tankers (not super tankers) parked everywhere out there about 15 miles offshore...They weren't waiting for harbor pilots...they were in long term storage...there were at least 15 of them just sitting there...

    We joked (half-seriously) that "they" knew the price of oil was about to go up and they were just sitting there till it did...

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    "price of oil was about to go up and they were just sitting there till it did"

    That oil probably belonged to Goldman or other asshole player.

    There was a report that in early 2008, when oil was very low, a Goldman trader bought 5 tankers of oil and parked them in the Caribbean. That summer, oil hit $140, and the trader made a few $100M. Usually traders never take delivery on the oil they buy, but this guy did, and made a killing.

    The world should bar oil from the commodities exchanges and from speculation. If not, the traders and oilcos will rip a huge asshole in civilization's wealth as recoverable, economic oil continues to be depleted, and as the demand outstrips supply catastrophically, as in old-timey wars for grabbing natural resources (aka, the Repugs invading Iraq for oil).

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    The futures markets provide a valuable service to the actual end users of the product but the speculators who never intend to take delivery are the cancer on the system.

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    Exactly.

    Farmers hedge the crops with commodity futures, etc. and it provides a real service.

    But only a few big finance outfits run the futures/derivatives market, in secret, and block anybody (even other large Wall St outfits) from entering. iow, a secret cartel.

    One farmer was complaining he had no idea what he was paying for, what fees were, no itemization, "just pay and STFU".

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/bu...gewanted=print

    The entire financial sector is one big scam, a fraud, predatory, cheats, until proven otherwise (good luck finding that evidence).
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    Supply and demand, or "lost stranglehold"?

    Please pick a lane.
    Point is, that the economy will now start up again once the democrats can't with it any longer. The increased economy will increase the demand for energy, hence the price will increase.

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    Point is, that the economy will now start up again once the democrats can't with it any longer. The increased economy will increase the demand for energy, hence the price will increase.
    You've got to be a troll.
    Mouse?

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    You've got to be a troll.
    Mouse?
    That is just almost, the ultimate insult!

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    I really know you won't answer, but just how did the Dems " with the (Repug-raped) economy"?

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    These gas prices are pissing me off.

    We're now at $3.29 (credit) $3.19 (cash) here in Michigan

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    I just know there is a endless supply of oil in Alaska, we just need to pull up our skirts up and drill goddamnit. Whose with me!?!?
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