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  1. #1
    The Good Doctor Rummpd's Avatar
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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

    PER is a more robust measure of a players value than points or other single measures as it weighs many factors.


    Rank Player PER
    1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
    2. LeBron James 26.86
    3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
    4. David Robinson* 26.18
    5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
    6. Dwyane Wade 25.63
    7. Bob Pet * 25.37
    8. Tim Duncan 24.88
    9. Neil Johnston* 24.73
    10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
    11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
    12. Magic Johnson* 24.11
    13. Karl Malone* 23.90
    14. Dirk Nowitzki 23.74
    15. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
    16. Kobe Bryant 23.57



    Duncan 8th all time and Mr. Bryant lagging considerably at 16th and Bryant is also behind Wade at his position (to be fair Duncan is trailing LeBron but time will tell whether LBJ or Wade can sustain their PER over longer careers). He also trails the immortal Neil Johnston and the under-ranked Bob Pe in PER!

    By the way, - alll you David Robinson haters - look who is number 4 all time (just behind his rival Shaq but Shaq will probably drop as he extends his career a year or two more behind Robinson - but Shaq was DEFINETELY the Man on the Lakers Tri-peat!
    Last edited by Rummpd; 02-13-2011 at 12:33 PM.

  2. #2
    Five. DesignatedT's Avatar
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    well that pretty much ends this debate.

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    $200 cash 4>0rings's Avatar
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    , didn't you just read? The debates over. Duncan > Kobe

    Now kick rocks got.

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    No darkness Cry Havoc's Avatar
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    No darkness Cry Havoc's Avatar
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    CDs Nuts. resistanze's Avatar
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    Dwyane Wade > Tim Duncan

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    The Timeless One Leetonidas's Avatar
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    Kobe 5
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  8. #8
    The Good Doctor Rummpd's Avatar
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    Kobe as the true man on his team = at best 2

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    bohica! Greg Oden's Avatar
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    yeah who wouldn't take Pet and Neil Johnston over Barkely, Kareem, Magic, Malone, Dirk, Hakeem, and Kobe.

    lol definite proof

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    :lol Gio IronMaxipad's Avatar
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    Don't believe the hype... ChuckD's Avatar
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    Believe. jeebus's Avatar
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    $200 cash 4>0rings's Avatar
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    I'm the greatest kamikazi_player's Avatar
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    I would like to believe the good doctor, but when you have Karl Malone and Charles Barkley being better than Kobe, then this article or stat is a piece of .

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    PELICANS!!! BRHornet45's Avatar
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    Kobe 5
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    Duncan 3 (1999 simply doesn't count)
    Kobe 1 (he gets a .5 credit for being co-leader with Gasol and gets 0 for riding Shaq's success)

    Fixed son

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    lol underwater city

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    "The ball don't lie." dbestpro's Avatar
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    PELICANS!!! BRHornet45's Avatar
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    lol underwater city
    1 ring ... at least N.O. has won something withing the last decade unlike anything in Dallas.

    Lol mavs
    Lol cowgirls
    Lol Dirk

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    I'm the greatest kamikazi_player's Avatar
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    Duncan 3 (1999 simply doesn't count)
    Kobe 1 (he gets a .5 credit for being co-leader with Gasol and gets 0 for riding Shaq's success)

    Fixed son
    Nice sig son, take out that chris paul sig and add another girl's ass

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    Zip it up and Zip it out. WeNeedLength's Avatar
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    Duncan 3 (1999 simply doesn't count)
    Kobe 1 (he gets a .5 credit for being co-leader with Gasol and gets 0 for riding Shaq's success)

    Fixed son
    The playoffs were not shortened and since the regular season doesn't matter, 1999 counts as a ring whether you want it to or not you frontin' .

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    CDs Nuts. resistanze's Avatar
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    Duncan 3 (1999 simply doesn't count)
    Kobe 1 (he gets a .5 credit for being co-leader with Gasol and gets 0 for riding Shaq's success)

    Fixed son

  22. #22
    Believe. Jose Canseco's Avatar
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    Definitive proof that Bob Pet is the greatest power forward of all time?

  23. #23
    The Good Doctor Rummpd's Avatar
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    Pe was no stiff - he had to retire at age 32 due to knee injuries but averaged more than 26 points a game and over 16 boards a game (3rd highest in history)

    http://www.nba.com/history/players/pet _bio.html

  24. #24
    bohica! Greg Oden's Avatar
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    yeah no doubt he'd average those numbers today

  25. #25
    The Good Doctor Rummpd's Avatar
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    yeah no doubt he'd average those numbers today

    You can only play with and against your era but ask Kevin Love about putting up those kind of numbers at a similar size so it is possible?

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