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    Yes.

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    No question about it.

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    Only if you take your parenting responsibilities seriously. Lots of us grandparent-types end up virtually raising our grandchildren because our children find them inconvenient to their career advancement.

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    Children are seen as something the next generation want to have...not something they want to engage.

    I don't mean to imply that all are like that...but I see it.

    One of my children takes his parenting totally seriously. One other takes it seriously but not enjoyably. Another, I swear, just wanted to see what they would look like. Those are the ones living with me now.

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    Only if you take your parenting responsibilities seriously. Lots of us grandparent-types end up virtually raising our grandchildren because our children find them inconvenient to their career advancement.
    I've got 4 grandkids living with me right now.

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    I've got 4 grandkids living with me right now.
    Damn, now I feel like I have it lucky because I only have 2 of them. Inescapable conclusion, though, huh?

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    Damn, now I feel like I have it lucky because I only have 2 of them. Inescapable conclusion, though, huh?
    So it seems. It looks like we'll probably be granted permanent custody of 2 of them. The other 2 I think will be okay once the Mother reestablishes her finances. *Knocks on wood*

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    What gets me is how casually these girls get knocked up/have babies. My daughter has had several single friends get knocked up by guys they had no intention of settling down with and they were just so damn happy to be pregnant...I guess it's an attention/being loved/needed thing...they post every frigging hunger craving, "14 week belly picture" etc. on facebook...very creepy...

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    What gets me is how casually these girls get knocked up/have babies. My daughter has had several single friends get knocked up by guys they had no intention of settling down with and they were just so damn happy to be pregnant...I guess it's an attention/being loved/needed thing...they post every frigging hunger craving, "14 week belly picture" etc. on facebook...very creepy...
    Well, we are clearly in a differing generational value set. I remember laughing my head off about 20 years ago when a niece of mine got pregnant out of wedlock and actually sent gleeful birth announcements to people like my mother, who was apoplectic upon receipt of same.

    Sounds like my niece was ahead of her time. LOL.

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    What gets me is how casually these girls get knocked up/have babies. My daughter has had several single friends get knocked up by guys they had no intention of settling down with and they were just so damn happy to be pregnant...I guess it's an attention/being loved/needed thing...they post every frigging hunger craving, "14 week belly picture" etc. on facebook...very creepy...
    Obviously they saw their friends buy slushies with lone star cards and.....

    Well, you know the rest.

    As for the OP, is the sky blue?

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    Well, we are clearly in a differing generational value set. I remember laughing my head off about 20 years ago when a niece of mine got pregnant out of wedlock and actually sent gleeful birth announcements to people like my mother, who was apoplectic upon receipt of same.

    Sounds like my niece was ahead of her time. LOL.
    Well, I'm too lazy to look this up right away but I'm pretty sure my generation's birthrate is down so I would agree that we have a different set of values but its not necessarily the one you're painting.

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    Well, I'm too lazy to look this up right away but I'm pretty sure my generation's birthrate is down so I would agree that we have a different set of values but its not necessarily the one you're painting.
    Which do you think I am painting?

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    Children are seen as something the next generation want to have...not something they want to engage.

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    I'd argue that more than ever, children are something we DO NOT want to have.

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    I'd argue that more than ever, children are something we DO NOT want to have.
    The gene pool sincerely appreciates your abstinence, Manny...

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    It certainly does for women

    From 4 years ago:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18742634...iness-careers/

    and this year:

    http://realbusiness.co.uk/kate_pritc...damage_careers

    Throw in the -25% compensation for women vs men in the same job.

    See Wal-mart gender discrimination suit, where I expect the SCOTUS men to vote for Wal-mart, and the SCOTUS women to vote for women, proving yet again that justice ISN'T blind.

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    I'd argue that more than ever, children are something we DO NOT want to have.
    Oh, okay. I understand. I thought you were referring to whether or not they had children out of wedlock. That is much less important these days (wedlock) than it used to be. I thought that is what you meant.

    I think you are right about children in general. Almost all of the industrialized, developed nations have declining birth rates, which I assume has to do with the perceived cost of having children, more than anything else.

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    no necesarily.

    If you have kids to support, you actually worry more about work and your performance increases. So thus, you get more opportunities.

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    In a word........yes.

    Anyone with children/ grandchildren would agree.

    No question about it.
    It's not that we don't love em. It's just reality.

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    Oh, okay. I understand. I thought you were referring to whether or not they had children out of wedlock. That is much less important these days (wedlock) than it used to be. I thought that is what you meant.

    I think you are right about children in general. Almost all of the industrialized, developed nations have declining birth rates, which I assume has to do with the perceived cost of having children, more than anything else.
    More than ever kids are born out of wedlock and to single mothers today. I don't argue that one bit. Its not a good situation.

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    What gets me is how casually these girls get knocked up/have babies. My daughter has had several single friends get knocked up by guys they had no intention of settling down with and they were just so damn happy to be pregnant...I guess it's an attention/being loved/needed thing...they post every frigging hunger craving, "14 week belly picture" etc. on facebook...very creepy...
    It doesn't help that the Safety Net has become a Hammock.

    How many of her friend have babies three years apart?

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    I've got 4 grandkids living with me right now.
    Ouch. I've got twin girls age 3. I've already got my shotgun loaded. One of the things I harp on my wife about is that the environment in which they are brought up matters......a lot. She's not as preoccupied as I am with instilling a strong work ethic and driving them to secure a decent financial future before deciding on children. That means having the freedom of career advancement.

    Thankfully I was able to finish out grad school before any of those considerations limited my ability to advance my career. I would have been stuck in a career that I really didn't enjoy at all.

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    Ouch. I've got twin girls age 3. I've already got my shotgun loaded. One of the things I harp on my wife about is that the environment in which they are brought up matters......a lot. She's not as preoccupied as I am with instilling a strong work ethic and driving them to secure a decent financial future before deciding on children. That means having the freedom of career advancement.

    Thankfully I was able to finish out grad school before any of those considerations limited my ability to advance my career. I would have been stuck in a career that I really didn't enjoy at all.

    If you're not financially independent you may want to have your kids consult a financially independent consultant pertaining to money matters. You may have their best interests at heart but do you really know about managing money to the point money is working for you - Probably not...

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    Q. - Does Having Kids Dull Career Opportunities

    A. - Not if you're white

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