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Constant (z) variable - Manu Ginobili
Our second, third, fourth, and fifth best defensive lineups this season have included Bonner. Here are our top defensive lineups so far this season: (Numbers are points scored per opponent possession)
1. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-McDyess-Duncan - 0.87
T2. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-Blair - 0.90
T2. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-Bonner-Duncan - 0.90
T4. Parker-Ginobili-Jefferson-Bonner-Duncan - 0.93
T4. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-Splitter - 0.93
Note: Ginobili is on each list, once again proving my point that he is a lockdown defender.
In terms of shared win%, here are our best lineups:
1. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-McDyess-Blair - 87.5%
2. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-Bonner-Duncan - 78.5%
3. Parker-Ginobili-Jefferson-Bonner-Duncan - 73.3%
4. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-Blair - 71.4%
5. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Bonner-McDyess - 68.4%
Well well well, what do ya know. Bonner once again shows up on 4 of the top 5 lineups. But hey, I know some people are still not convinced. Bonner is white, they say. Therefore, he must be a really really really ty defender. He isn't athletic they say, even though defense is about 20% athleticism. I guess all I can do is spew more FACTS and hope some of you catch on and stop following the opinion of 95% of Spurstalk who are complete dumbasses sometimes. Here we go:
Percentage of opponent field goals from close range (not sure what 82games defines as close range, but I assume its within 5 feet), according to lineup:
T1. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-McDyess-Duncan - 39%
T1. Parker-Hill-Ginobili-Jefferson-Duncan - 39%
3. Parker-Neal-Jefferson-Blair-Duncan - 34%
4. Parker-Hill-Jefferson-Bonner-Duncan - 32%
T5. Parker-Hill-Jefferson-McDyess-Duncan - 31%
T5. Hill-Neal-Ginobili-Jefferson-McDyess - 31%
What do ya know, Bonner only in one of those lineups... He must be getting PUNISHED by all those bully 7-footers, cause, ya know, he's just getting annihilated on the block. People are pushing him right into the basket and just posterizing him repeatedly, while he cries and runs to Pop who reassures him "just make a three Matt cause you have zero purpose when you're on the floor other than to do that". I mean, the numbers would back that up, right???
One more Bonner fact I promise:
Best +/- per 48 minutes (must have played at least 5% of available minutes):
1. Ginobili - +11.6
T2. Duncan - +10.6
T2. Bonner - +10.6
4. Hill - +9.1
5. Parker - +7.4
Yea yea yea, I know, still not convinced. I mean what are numbers and facts to the well trained eyes of the couch potato Spurs fans, who sees this guy running around like a T-rex, he must be bringing this team down. Pop and R.C. are just blind idiots with 4 championships since 1999, what do they know? I, the Spurstalk poster, am WAY smarter than those guys! And we have Splitter, who is the next coming of Dwight Howard! He's such a defensive force!
Well, sorry guys, but Splitter has sucked this year. I know Spurstalk experts think he is gonna be a beast against the Lakers and such cause, ya know, he's a 7-footer and god knows that he's gonna beast against Bynum and Pau when the lights come on!'
Yea well, you're wrong. Let me, again, give you facts:
Worst +/- per 48 minutes (must have played at least 5% of available minutes)
1. Anderson (barely qualifies) - -9.1
2. Quinn - -8.4
3. Splitter - -4.9
4. Neal +5.5
T5. Jefferson/McDyess - +6.4
Splitter has sucked big time. The fact is, he is almost over 10 points worse per 48 minutes than the only other rotation player on the list, Gary Neal. His actual +/- is the worst on the team, -51.
This is it for now. Might add some more stuff later if I still get some doubters.
Constant (z) variable - Manu Ginobili
Yes, I think it's widely known he's been the best player on the court overall this year for the Spurs though.
This year, or since 2005? (Aside from the year he missed 3/4 of the season, my 8th grade year)
Please Pop, listen to chaz
I'm defending Pop, not offering any new suggestions.
Many won't like this but the stats don't lie. I still believe his minutes should be cut down once the playoffs begin but he isn't near as bad as most on this board portray him out to be.
The reason Splitters +/- is so low is because he is getting minutes in scrub time. Since we have such a good record, it means he plays mostly when they came is in hand in our favor.
Do I really need to explain why this is a dumb statement? Hopefully you're just being sarcastic.
No I agree with you 100% on Bonner, as much as people, including me, do not like him, he is essential to what we are doing this year. I just think Splitter is better than people give him credit for
where did you get the 95% idiot statistic?
The same place he got the #1 statistic.
lol well played.
Bonner gets minutes with the best players. What a surprise that he ranks high. Michael Finley was the Spurs' best player when here; just look at his plus/minus numbers.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
For the first stat (opponent points per possession), Duncan and Ginobili are both present in most of the lineups. Bonner's presence is incidental, not influential. If TD blocks 3 shots, Manu steals a couple, and Bonner gets dunked on thrice, the opponent PPP = 0.75 with no credit to Bonner. What are the worst five lineups on this front? Do any of them have the Bonner-Blair combo?
I don't know what shared win % is. I've heard of win shares, but this stat is new to me. Will comment after you provide a link to it.
The close range shots stat is meaningless. When a shotblocker mans the middle, the defensive strategy will be to stay close on the perimeter and let the guard try and finish inside. If a Bonner/Blair combo mans the middle, Pop may ask the perimeter defenders to back off to prevent the drive and rather give up the jumpshot. The opponent will score freely off of jumpers, but on the stat sheet it will look like Blair and Bonner shut down the paint. [Example: guard drives 10 times into TD/Dice, scores 4 times for 8 points, guard takes the open shot 10 times against Bonner/Blair, scores 3 threes and 3 twos for 13 points]
+/- is a highly ridiculed stat as it is and I don't want to waste my breath on it. It depends on who you play with. Finley at his absolute nadir put up fairly decent plus/minus because he used to start with TD and TP. I'm no Splitter supporter, but he must've played half his minutes in garbage time with the likes of Quinn, Anderson, Novak et al ... not a great way to boost your +/- stat.
If you want to compare Bonner to the other bigs, start watching games without the blinkers.
Congratulations, Chaz, your "#1" supporters and advocates are....
wait for it...
LAKER Fans!!!
Isn't that right, John Basedow?
so the spurs D is best with bonner on the bench.......ok
haha LOVE seeing all the Bonner haters in the thread. Again, stats and facts don't lie.
Hilarious that you try so hard to disprove facts and results. You're coming up with theoretical situations that in the long run have a negligible amount of impact on a stat. Also, Blair/Neal/Hill have had plenty of run in garbage time and their +/- numbers are fine.
Don't know why people are using Finley as some kind of scapegoat for the supposed ineffectiveness of the +/- stat. Finley won a championship with us and was very effective for this team.
Also, LOL at saying Bonner's stats are so good cause he's piggybacking on the rest of our roster. If that's the case, just throw me in there and I'll have the same impact as Bonner, right?
Lol, the conclusions you're making based on these stats, however, are dishonest.
fact- spurs D is best when bonner rides pine
fact- we have a higher winning % with bonner riding the pine hard
facts
Watch the current game, yes that just happened with Bonner missing and getting scored on multiple times - FACT
Care to comment on the close of the 2nd quarter, asshole?
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