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The NHL has a $59 million dollar cap...
The NHL has a $59 million dollar cap...
bet memphis is praying the fedexforum gets washed away now
I'm surprised all the owners want this. This would more or less break up Miami's big 3 unless they all took a massive pay cut. Something like this wouldn't happen before a 2-3 year lockout.
The same owners that spent loads of money last summer...some of it in max contracts to marginal players. You can't whine about the cap with your mouth while writing huge checks with your hands.The proposed hard cap is something the NBA has never had under collective bargaining, but it has become a critical element to owners.
I would say Miami would still keep their big 3 due to grandfather clauses but the goal of doing this would be to prevent future big 3's from forming through free agency.
This. Cheap Sarver is the chief of owners complaining and it looks ridiculous after the payroll moves he made last summer.
Grandfather clauses keep them together till their contracts are up. That "8 le" fantasy would be gone if a $45,000,000 hard salary cap was in the new CBA.
I thought, spreading superstar players among teams, rather than concentrating them on one, would be good for the league.
Nobody watches the teams anyways, no sense in perpetrating the charade.
Wow what a ing joke...
If the NBA owners just knew... these street rats have NOTHING ELSE, they make millions to play a game. They have no education to do anything other wise.
Scrap the teams, play ty backups. ty backups vs ty backs ups = no one knows they are .
You might have a point there.
RIP 2011-12 NBA Season. I guess we have seen the final games in the careers of Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, and Kobe's dropoff is going to be really nasty by 2012-13 when we get to see basketball again. Good luck to LeBron paying for that new house on unemployment.
Last edited by baseline bum; 05-17-2011 at 12:48 AM.
Kentucky and UNC better ing be amazing next year.
I can see Derek Fisher fighting tooth and nail to keep retirement benefits, but I really don't see him being the kind of guy that's going to put a fight against a ruthless Stern...
Next season is probably done, but I have a feeling players are going to lose, and lose big this time around...
Not really the same though. An NHL team has four lines of three frontliners, plus three lines of two defensivemen, plus a goalie. (that's 19 right there) then there's a few bench players as well.
Plus smaller revenues...
The old cba needs, obviously, some adjustments...but imho the way the owners are going is not the right one.
I don't like the hard cap...I think you have to give the chances to any team to improve, if they want and can, and that's possible only with the exceptions.
The soft cap is the only way.
That said, I Think the players goal must be to give money to the higher possible number of players but at the some time esteblish some economic differences between "good" and "not so good" players that's acceptable also for the owners.
One thing to do, imho, is to determine a maximum salary (ex. 15.000.000) you can not going over : then, if a player is really a phenomenon, he can make more money in other ways (sponsor contracts).
But the main point is that, like some others said, the owners are co-responsable for the situations for letting the market going too much "up" for mediocre players who have been evidently overpaid...but you can't blame the player's agents too much...for doing what they're payed for from their clients.
I think Stern has made the only possible moves, considering he's paid by the owners...but it's time for the owners too to face reality : they are the ones that makes the market, not the players.
And that's, simply, 'cause they are the ones that have the money.
The ridicule thing is that, given the fact that some rule need to be re-made, Stern gave the owners the only real weapon to "govern" the market : the lux tax rule.
That's, imho, the only way : to increase it to a higher level, that's really descouraging teams from spending more just 'cause, doing so, they're gonna re-inforce the finances of other teams. In all these years, the worst move the owners made is the "Finley rule" : I say no.
Owners have to recognize and pay if they make mistakes, not be absolved from themselves.
I say more : put the fine for exceeding the lux tax to three to five dollars for dollar.
Then not only just the "richest" teams will be able to overspend, but the weaker teams will be able to really became richer by the years and avoid financial instability.
If there is a lockout, will there be a 2012 draft?
Yeah, but you're talking about a team of 25 players as opposed to a team of 15. (Not saying the NBA salary cap shouldn't be larger, but having to fund 10 extra people is a chunk of change.)
Yeah, i'd rather see a harsher luxury tax ratio, a hard cap on max player salary (percentage of the salary cap), and MLE money not available each year (interchanging with LLE would be nice).
Basically, the damage was done by the owners themselves, they outbid one another to oblivion.
So with a $45M cap, and a 15 man roster, it projects to an average of $3M per player.
If they go a 12-man roster, it projects to $3.75M per player.
However, a team's starter earns way more than $3-$4M a season, a normal winning team usually has:
a player earning $12M+, a 2nd star earning $10M+, and a 3rd player earning $8M+, this alone goes around $30, leaving $15M for the remaining 9 to 12 players, with each earning a little over $1M.
In other words, only rich teams that could afford luxury tax can be compe ive from now on. The other alternative is to get fantastic players on the rookie scale like the Bulls are currently doing, but this only means a team could keep the core and supporting players together for about 3 years. Not entirely sure if this actually benefits the league.
You stupid , there is no luxury tax with a hard salary cap.
It amazes me how these rich morons are complaining about revenue losses and player contracts when they are the idiots giving people like Joe Johnson a max contract while LeBron and Wade are making less. Any person who watches the NBA with a brain can tell you that players like Brendan Haywood, Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, etc, should have NEVER been given those contracts. How can you even rationalize giving these mediocre players that much cash? Lewis boggles my ing mind man, I don't understand how Ray Allen's subpar sidekick in Seattle gets paid more than anyone in the NBA for what he gives you. Same thing with Arenas. What kind of moron hands out a 100 million dollar contract, which generally should be reserved for the Kobes, KGs, Duncans, and Shaqs, to a chucking PG who was rehabbing from major knee surgery?
The owners are the morons. I guess they are trying to save themselves from their own stupidity.
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