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i agree completely and utterly
After Tim Duncan
and here is why
KG - Had to go to Boston to finally get that first ring, he had Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo. He proved that he couldn't and wasn't willing to stay loyal to the Timberwolves and decided to take the easy way out. His stats might be better than Dirk's but at least Dirk isn't hated by his former teammates and doesn't punch them.
Basically KG will get you a few more rebounds, and a few more blocked shots, but Dirk will get you that game winning basket or game tying 3 pointer. Dirk led his team to the top being the alpha dog, and the unquestioned leader of the Dallas Mavericks, the franchise that was the worst in all of sports during the 90's. Dirk has played a vital role in the Mavs 11 year 50 consecutive win seasons, and he just topped it off with an NBA championship and Finals MVP.
Finals MVP >> Regular season DPOY
I also think Dirk's defense isn't credited enough, his defense is average but not bad. He's also a great help defender but of course 99% of NBA fans will not notice since they go by what the "experts" over at ESPN tell them.
Let's not forget who the Mavericks beat in the finals
The trio of Lebron James (arguably the best player in the NBA) Dwyane Wade (top 5 player in the NBA) and Chris Bosh an all-star player that used to be a number one option when he played for the Raptors.
As for Karl Malone, his performance usually dropped once the playoffs started. Great stats, good resume but just could never come through.
Barkley is overrated imo
Top 5 PF
Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
i agree completely and utterly
um...How do I change my team in my profile? It's pretty obvious that I'm a Mavs fan...
So TP is a top PG as well?
Tim Duncan is a PF?
dirk>>>>>duncan tbh, dirk carried his team singlehandedly while tired old bag didn't, and defense is overrated so yeah
100%benedictarnold
Tim Duncan is a center.
Is TD a top 5 center?
Top #2? yeahhh
Clevland likes to hire old tired bag centers past their prime what are the chances hes a cav next year?
Yep. Robinson, Nesterovic, Mohommed, and Oberto all played PF while TD was playing C.
Duncan is a C/PF while Dirk is a PF/SF. Either way, they both are best at PF.
If Duncan was never drafted by the Spurs, he would have been a center his whole career.
Wow, the alternate universe viewer... what's it like?
Unless that team picked up players like Rasho,Nazr,Elson,Oberto...
Pau was highly regarded by many Laker fans . . .
nope, Kareem/Chamberlain/Dream/Shaq all be better centers then Tim imo and the massive fans will ram E in there as well, TD ain't a top 5 neither as a PF nor C imho
^wrong about Tyson and the Mavs.
wrong bout dem mavs maybe but i was right bout TC. i praised dat move on TC's arrival when the rest of you bashed it, didn't expect it to be THAT huge though. C was their shortest stave prior to that trade, so a quality big would be a better signing than a surplus at SG/SF despite that Iggy/G-force all be arguably better players individually. i said those all based on tactical knowledge tbh. although TC seemed a bit injury prone the past years, he was never like da 7'6 E and even if he gets injured and misses some games we have a decent backup plan in brendan haywood.^
Duncan was a pf until 2006.
A woefully inadequate synopsis of Barkley's and Malone's achievements. But we tend to do that to retired players. If you're going to argue the PF-GOAT, then you need to give a fair shake to all contestants.
It's clear that you're biased and I have to disagree with Malone (and Barkley) here. He faced the GOAT and his band of merry of men two straight years in the finals. Were it not for that, the Mailman would have a ring or two and a finals MVP or two as well.
Who has Dirk or KG faced that even remotely compares? Yes Finals MVP weighs heavily, but you can't leave out the context.
PS - You can make the same argument for Barkley here too.
If Dirk and crew come back and do this again next year, I'll have a longer look at the argument. How does the old saying go?
One is a fluke, two is a coincidence, three is a trend.
I think Sir Charles is starting to become extremely underrated. Dude was a ing monster in his prime. So was Malone, they just had the misfortune of playing in the Jordan era like so many other ringless legends. I'm not saying I'd rate either above Dirk, because I think Dirk is tied for #2 with KG personally, but to just say "Barkley is overrated. Malone disappeared in the playoffs" and leave it at that is kind of a lame argument.
Dirk is not even a PF
He is a tall SG
Dirk has a strong argument for #2 or #3. Barkley was an abnormally dominant PF that was the same height as an SG. He had to contend with the Rockets and Bulls which would 4-0 any team in the league right now, so him not ringing in his prime is understandable.
Dirk has more time on his clock, though. The Heat aren't compared to the 90s powerhouse teams, but beating them with less talent is noteworthy.
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