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Laughable.
I know a lot of you supers ious mavs fan types aren't going to want to hear this right before tipoff, but win or lose tonight (and I expect the Mavs to give fine account of themselves tonight) I am not at all convinced that Steve Nash is one of the very best players in the league.
I can easily think of 10 guys i'd rather have if I had 1 year to win an NBA le.
On the other hand, if I wanted to be a Western Conference Finalist, I'd think about making him a top 5 pick. He is the best guard in the league in terms of playing one way offensive run and gun basketball, but of course this is just one aspect of the game. Of course the Suns system is tailor made to his skills.
...but this guys no Lebron, no Dirk, no Tim Duncan, no Dwayne Wade...i'm not sure I wouldn't take Marion over him if I had my choice (much less Amare).
Steve Nash is an all-star pointgaurd but lets get serious... I don't recall John Stockton (not that Nash is the complete player Stockton was in terms of defense) collecting MVP hardware or even consideration.
Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see my league MVP lead their team in things like scoring and rebounding (assists are nice though, I'll give him that).
Laughable.
He has back-to-back MVP's and you say he is not a top 10 player....is this because he is no longer on the Mavs and now you are just ticked off?
Any PG could get 10 assist a game in the suns offense, they take twice the possesions as any team in the league.
No they couldn't and no they don't.
bakrid the kings fan is laughing off the idea that there are ten humans on the planet who ball harder than Nash.
...where were you when Mike Bibby was having his way with Stevie in those mavs/kings series? not to say Bibby is as good as Nash, but it goes to showing something.
let me take a and come back to answer this, wait theres no need to, cose nash = = suns
yeah bibby owns nash in the playoffs thats for sure.
Well, so far, Nash's teams have advanced to three Western Conference Finals while Bibby's teams have advanced to just one.
And please... Seriously, DO NOT throw out the injury card on those Kings teams.
If Nash can lead an Amare-less, Thomas-less Suns team to the Conference Finals, then Bibby could have done the same thing, considering the amount of talent on those Kings teams.
im talking about head to head buddy. mavs versus kings. nash and bibby have zero rings so i dont really care.
Head to head? Whose teams won more series? I believe it's the Mavs.
Besides, like you said, neither have rings, so it really doesn't matter.
Great point.
I love Bibby, having met him a half-dozen times (my cousin played with him in high school). I'm a UA guy and I think Bibby is incredably underrated, but he's not Nash.
not really...i guarantee u that if u put jason terry/chauncey billups/allen iverson/ anyone u want, they will not be able to get it
the reason, NASH is the sun's offense...without nash, the suns will have a totally different offense that wouldn't run as much
The mere fact that he was able to lead his team to the WCF without top dog Amare Stoudemire is proof enough that he is one of the top ten players in the league.
Last edited by Axl Van Dam; 06-02-2006 at 07:14 AM.
The mere fact that he was able to lead his team to the WCF without top dog Amare Stoudemire is proof enough that he is one of the top ten players in the league."-axl van dam
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Am I the only one who is not all that impressed with beating Lakers/Clippers in hard fought wars?
Their path to this years WCF was not very impressive to me, and has been catagorized by up and down play by the "mvp."
How has his play compared with the likes of dirk/lbj/wade? ...hes an outstanding player but a notch below these guys.
...I can say from experience as a mavs fan that when we did beat the kings in the playoffs it was largely in spite of nash's play relative to bibby and not because of it.
I Also think it is HUGELY telling that you referred to "top dog Amare." This is my point exactly; if another "MVP" favorite, much less an MVP winner, had a teammate go down you would not refer to that guy as TOP DOG.
If your going to be league MVP, it should be laughable to call anyone else on the team "top dog."
For instance, "Dirk is worthy becuause he led the Mavs without top dog Josh Howard."
"Lebron is worthy because he led his guys without TOP DOG Anderson Verejeo."
Last edited by pussyface; 06-02-2006 at 01:39 PM.
This is one of the most ignoramus posts i've seen in a while. Oh wait, you're a Mav fan, sorry that explains a lot.
Nash is the conductor of this offense. the back-to-back MVP's might be debateable, but nash as not a top 10 isn't.
And hey, rather than listing his top 10 the the idiot who started this tread just tries to shoot from the hips. Mo .
Dude, yer still dwelling on three or four years ago???
He's right... JM with the hammer and Ron Artest is the nail.
yo bills...please respond to this:
Am I the only one who is not all that impressed with beating Lakers/Clippers in hard fought wars?
Their path to this years WCF was not very impressive to me, and has been catagorized by up and down play by the "mvp."
How has his play compared with the likes of dirk/lbj/wade? ...hes an outstanding player but a notch below these guys.
...I can say from experience as a mavs fan that when we did beat the kings in the playoffs it was largely in spite of nash's play relative to bibby and not because of it.
I Also think it is HUGELY telling that you referred to "top dog Amare." This is my point exactly; if another "MVP" favorite, much less an MVP winner, had a teammate go down you would not refer to that guy as TOP DOG.
If your going to be league MVP, it should be laughable to call anyone else on the team "top dog."
For instance, "Dirk is worthy becuause he led the Mavs without top dog Josh Howard."
"Lebron is worthy because he led his guys without TOP DOG Anderson Verejeo."
just saying that something is not debatable or that it is conventional wisdom doesnt make it so
The injury card could still be used because it is the timing with which the injuries took place.
Nash had known he'd be Amare-less and was well prepared for it, as was the rest of the team.
When Webber went down, it was during the playoffs, that is hard to recover from. When he came back, he was thrown right back into the starting lineup, (if you remember, the Kings were playing fantasticly without him), and the team suffered trying to readjust to his presence.
Amare was smart to sit back down after trying to play this year, I have a feeling he would have had the same effect Webber had on the Kings.
There may be ten better players...............but not at his position.
Quite possibly you are. The Playoffs are about matchups and both of those teams matched up very well against the Suns. In fact just about all the "experts" and Bball understanding fans expected the Suns to lose both of those series. Yet some how, some way the Suns managed to win including being down 3-1 to the Fakers.
The Suns have litterally ZERO inside game - offensive of defensive - yet here they are two wins from the Finals. You don't get that far on dum luck. And Nash is the one who has put this team on his back when Amare went down and has taken them this far. Not bad for a white dude who is 6'3" on a generous day.
see above... The Mavs beating the Grizz is 4 is impressive? The Grizz are perenial PO patsies having never won a single game. Adversity is something players face in the PO's which the Mavs have faced only ONCE. I've said this on other boards that the Mavs cannot let this series go 7, because the Suns have played four - soon to be five - "must win" games. If the pressure of gm 7 comes for a shot at the finals the Suns have a better shot, IMO. All Dallas has concerned themself with are the Spurs.
Different positions to compare 'cept Wade and he's close to a SG. Dirk and James are go to guys, much of the offense revolves around them.
Ask yourself this: Would it be easier to stand a wait for the ball to come to you and try to make something happend OR Be the one who has to break down the defense, find the open player or decide to take it all the way.
Very few PG's in NBA history have been really, really good and Nash is one of those now.
Hey, the system and coach have a lot to do with how a player is used. D'Ant is a better coach with this system then Nellie was. Nash has also turned up his game since coming back to Phx. Look how well Kidd is playing - why can't Nash do the same for the next 2-3yrs??
Really, where did i post that?
But lets give it a go for s n giggles, ok? If Dirk went down and Terry avg'd 20/10, helped seven other players to have career years and earned an MVP would Terry then be considered the top dog? Probably not, because "top dogs" are generally big men. Nash might be top dog for the Suns this year, but make now mistake, this is Amare's team.
redundancy is your friend?
If memory serve, your Kings were one win away from the Conference Finals when Webber went down. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it happened, in Dallas in game six.
That means you had a game seven at home, with Bibby, Divac, Peja, Terkoglu (sp?), Christie, Clark, Jackson, Gerald Wallace... come on. That's plenty of talent to win one game, at home.
One game? Are you telling me Bibby couldn't will his team to one win at home vs. a defenseless Dallas squad? But I thought he owned Nash?
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