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    They should get Buffet's tax return.

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    They should get Buffet's tax return.
    they're not en led to anything unless they can demonstrate they are on Buffetts level or contribution, if that's what you're saying.

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    Do ya think the URL is long enough? heh.

    Everything after the "l" in "html" is simply identifiers for your computer that yahoo uses to track your activities online as a cookie.

    Simply pasting the following will get the same link, but without the key to your cookies.

    http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-ric...070642868.html

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    they're not en led to anything unless they can demonstrate they are on Buffetts level or contribution, if that's what you're saying.
    That's not what I'm saying.

    You need to try to understand what you post before trying to understand what others post.

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    That's not what I'm saying.

    You need to try to understand what you post before trying to understand what others post.
    That's why i said, "if that's what you're saying" because i'm acknowledging that i don't know what you're alluding to.

    Save the drama for your mama.

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    Obama's claim hinges on the fact that, for high-income families and individuals, investment income is often taxed at a lower rate than wages. The top tax rate for dividends and capital gains is 15 percent.
    And there's nothing wrong with it hinging on that.

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    That's why i said, "if that's what you're saying" because i'm acknowledging that i don't know what you're alluding to.

    Save the drama for your mama.
    You sure as don't know to what I am alluding.

    That is clear.

    lol drama

    lol rhyming

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    You sure as don't know to what I am alluding.

    That is clear.

    lol drama

    lol rhyming
    Sure, you're not exactly worth understanding.

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    Sure, you're not exactly worth understanding.
    lol drama

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    You're so indignant. Calm down.

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    You're so indignant. Calm down.
    lol drama

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    FWIW, here is one of the major people involved in the Tax Policy Center, in his testimony before Congress:

    In summary, here are my main points:

    Economic theory suggests that the degree of progressivity should balance the gains from mitigating economic inequality and risk-sharing against the costs in terms of disincentives created by higher tax rates. The optimal top tax rate depends on social norms and the government's revenue needs.
    Experience and a range of empirical evidence suggests that the rates in effect in the 1990s would not unduly diminish economic growth. However, a more efficient option would be to broaden the base (reform or eliminate tax expenditures and eliminate loopholes) to achieve distributional goals while keeping top rates relatively low.
    The biggest loophole is the lower tax rate on capital gains. Several bipartisan tax reform plans, including the Bipartisan Policy Center plan that I contributed to, would tax capital gains at the same rate as other income. Combined with a substantial reduction in tax expenditures, this allows for a cut in top income rates while maintaining the progressivity of the tax system. That was also the approach taken by Ronald Reagan in 1986.
    Different economists reach diametrically opposite conclusions about the taxation of dividends. I find most compelling a recent analysis that suggested that concerns about tax avoidance activities of multinationals (e.g., moving headquarters and jobs overseas) would argue for fully taxing dividends and using the revenue raised to cut corporate tax rates.
    Finally, there has been much hand-wringing about lower-income families that don't pay income tax or even receive net subsidies. Some of these families are retired and I can't imagine that taxing them is feasible or desirable. The lower-income working families receive tax subsidies that encourage work, which is consistent with the prescriptions of optimal tax and transfer literature. To clarify the distinction between tax obligations and benefits, I suggest that the IRS produce a tax and subsidy report for all filers showing what their true tax liability is—before tax expenditures—as well as the value of their tax subsidies.
    Bottom line: allowing the top tax rates to return to their pre-2001 levels after the economy has recovered would not be economically disastrous and might help build support for tax reform that would broaden the base and lower rates while maintaining the progressivity of the tax system (and hopefully contribute to reducing the debt).
    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publi....cfm?ID=901447

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    carried interest - but that's not populist enough so it's called the buffet rule.

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    In all fairness Buffett is technically correct. He pays a lower tax PERCENTAGE because he doesn't draw a normal salary and all his income is return from investments in companies and consequently taxed as capital gains.

    Be careful what you ask for es. Assuming you make ANYTHING of your life you will more than likely eventually buy a house. You will probably take out a mortgage. That $150,000 house will cost you hundreds of thousands in interest and principal payments over the years. Meanwhile inflation will drive the "value" of that home to $300,000 in 20 years or so even though its still really worth the same since a gallon of milk now costs $12. When you eventually sell it, the difference in what you paid for it and what you sell it for is called "Capital Gains". Start taxing that as ordinary income and suddenly you are (for one year) in that "Millionaires Class" that makes more than $200,000 a year and the government will end up taking almost half of the difference between the selling price and the purchase price.

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    150k house? thats not a house, thats a shed.

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    150k house? thats not a house, thats a shed.


    I was trying to put it in numbers most of the so called intellectual liberals in here could actually conceive of making/spending.

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    Fact-Checking The Fact-Checkers: The AP Releases Misleading Analysis Of Obama’s Tax Plan

    “AP’s ‘fact check’ misses the point of the Buffett rule. The point is not to ensure that rich people on average pay higher taxes than middle-class people on average,” but “to ensure that all households with incomes above $1 million pay at least what middle-class families are paying.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...k-obama-taxes/

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    Was anyone actually buying that bull about millionaires paying less taxes than secretaries?

    Even the capital gains rate is probably more than the rate your typical secretary would have to pay.

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    Fact-Checking The Fact-Checkers: The AP Releases Misleading Analysis Of Obama’s Tax Plan

    “AP’s ‘fact check’ misses the point of the Buffett rule. The point is not to ensure that rich people on average pay higher taxes than middle-class people on average,” but “to ensure that all households with incomes above $1 million pay at least what middle-class families are paying.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...k-obama-taxes/
    Which facts were incorrect?

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    Was anyone actually buying that bull about millionaires paying less taxes than secretaries?

    Even the capital gains rate is probably more than the rate your typical secretary would have to pay.
    25% Bracket $34,500 – $83,600

    25%>15%

    lol probably

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    25% Bracket $34,500 – $83,600

    25%>15%

    lol probably

    Guess it depends on if it is a short term capital gain or a long term.

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    25% Bracket $34,500 – $83,600

    25%>15%

    lol probably
    Again in fairness (for the other side this time) the example was $50,000 GROSS. After deductions and credits they could easily be below the $34,500 threshold, and even if they aren't the ONLY thing getting taxed at 25% is what they made OVER $34,500.

    15% of 50,000 @ 15% is $7500.

    Most people GROSSING 50,000 in income aren't paying $7500 in income tax.

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    Again in fairness (for the other side this time) the example was $50,000 GROSS. After deductions and credits they could easily be below the $34,500 threshold.
    How would an individual get $15,500 worth of deductions?

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