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lol no where in your post do you mention shaq or the significant impact he made in 2000-2002.
Kobe didn't face vince carter in 2009 it was courtney lee.
I think if nothing else MJ and Kobe are equals. You can buy into all the Gatorade and Nike hype if you want. I don't... I’m a pure evaluator of talent and I can back what I say up. Some things MJ did better than Kobe and Some things Kobe does better than MJ.
MJ didn’t have to share the ball…his post game was slightly better, Kobe’s shooting was better and he had better range. MJ had a better Mid range. Kobe was a far superior defended than MJ in my opinion. MJ didn’t have to guard the likes of Lebron, Wade, Rose, Durant, AI, Marbury’s etc…He was dominating against old men, white guys, or scrubs in his prime.
Here's look back and quick comparison with what Kobe faced in the finals...
1991 - First le MJ won against LA he didn’t have to play defense. He played against an old Magic who actually had HIV even then… and he didn’t even have to do that because they put Pippen on Magic. Again this is an example of MJ having it easy.
1992 was his 1st legit le..even though they again put Pippen on Drexler..all MJ had to do was play offense…he didn’t play defense until he was guarding the white players…that’s when he got all aggressive…but this is his first legit le since he wasn’t facing an old player with HIV.
1993 – MJ was being guarded by Dan Marjle not a Ray Allen, Paul Pierece…they didn’t put a defensive specialist on him like a Tony Allen or James Posey because they had none…and face it who couldn’t beat Charles Barkley…everyone beat his ass…
1996 was his 2nd legit le in my opinion. He once again faced some real s and he beat them…However keep in mind this time he had to play the Glove and ironically it was his worst finals experience , especially in the deciding game..Payton made him shoot 25% on 5-19…if MJ had to face athletic players like this all the time the true MJ would have shown more often. He was protected by Pippen’s suburb defense and then given credit for it as if it were is own.
1997 – 1998. I will mark these as legit too but not without my color commentary. Listen MJ was looking all world again because he was facing John Stockon, Jeff Hornacek, Shandon Anderson, and Byron Russell…these guys couldn’t defend to save their lives…it was pathetic…Karl Malone pulled a semi-choke job as well….but MJ feasted on that white back-court…pathetic…
Now let’s look at Kobe’s direct back court opponents and players assigned to defend him for his les
2000 - Kobe’s first le he faced Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose, Mark Jackson…Offense and Defense he had to work…
2001 – Kobe’s 2nd le he faced – Allen Iverson, Raja Bell, Aaron Mckie, Eric Snow and George Lynch. A.I put up numbers on Kobe and the Sixer defense lead by Raja and Mckie was a hardnosed as they came…Way more than what MJ ever faced in a finals…
2002 – Kobe’s 3rd le was more defense he had to face starting with a prime Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles, Kenyon Martin guarded Kobe, and Chris Childs… again MJ never had to face this kind of defense. And when he did against the Pistons and a Prime Magic and Bird…MJ lost everytime…He beat those teams as their stars got old…He had it easy..
2009 – 4th le By far Kobe’s easiest le. He faced Vince Carter, Matt Barnes, and Mickel Pietrus and even they made him work.
2010 – 5th le – Kobe’s hardest. The Celtic HOF trio on both sides of the ball and the pesky Rondo..Need I say more…MJ never faced this in a finals not this package of prime offensive and defensive players. Kobe’s 5th was more earned than any le MJ won.
Lastly the two les Kobe lost to the Pistons and the Celtics…keep in mind those were also great great defensive teams again something MJ faced only once which was in 96 against a Gary Payton led Sonics and MJ wasn’t as dominant as he’d been previously…struggled mightily..
Long live Koolaid...the truth teller even though it goes against the grain.
lol no where in your post do you mention shaq or the significant impact he made in 2000-2002.
Kobe didn't face vince carter in 2009 it was courtney lee.
Lets take a close look a Kobe's les
shaq
shaq
shaq
pau
pau
Pippen never heard of Koon Maid.
MJ absolved many prejudiced people of their sins...and that's why they rode for him they way did...they found one black guy that could make it all right and they rode that...even going against the grain of their "moral" beliefs...they knew he was ing around on his wife, they knew he was gambling like he was and was inherently selfish but they turned a blind eye...stole Pippen's hard work and just summarily assigned it to MJ...MJ has Zero les without that guy...whereas Kobe has 2 without Shaq...those are the key ingredients to my arguement...MJ / Pippen and Kobe Shaq...Pippen has none without MJ and vice versa...Kobe 2 Shaq 1...in this great debate...
Pip is within his right to feel the way he does...they did him wrong man...
Steve Kerr has les without either Jordan or Pippen. Kerr is the real GOAT.
Just when I thought you've reached the apex of unintelligence.
6>5
6 FINAL MVPS > 2
6>0 5>2
DEAL WITH IT.
you wanna know the difference in 5>4 and 6>5...it's simple..
Both Duncan and MJ are done....Kobe's still competing for les...
Where, Italy? Last time I saw that rat faced rapist he was being ushered out of the playoffs by the pie eyed piper Dirk.you wanna know the difference in 5>4 and 6>5...it's simple..
Both Duncan and MJ are done....Kobe's still competing for les...
"Every chamber filled!!!"
Here is an old MJ against a young Kobe
And Kobe played defense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLVfougACiQ
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Plus there was the time MJ got taken to the woodshed by JJ Barea.
I just had to post this
LOL keep sipping that koolaid you ing hater! THE GOD MJ RULES KOBE.
and getting swept on his way to the finalsyou wanna know the difference in 5>4 and 6>5...it's simple..
Both Duncan and MJ are done....Kobe's still competing for les...
5 Star Thread Kool. Good job son. These haters can try tothis all they want but truth be told you are on point 110%.
2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics would have made MJ's life a living as well. Especially with strong side zones, players that are at least comparible athletically guarding him, along with agile swatters like Sheed, Big Ben, and KG waiting to clean up any mistakes. MJ never faced anything like that in the Finals.
I'll go a step further. What WC team played lights out lockdown defense?
1991 Lakers - good "team defense" but no notable lock down defenders. Their anchor? Vlade Divac. 57 year old Magic past his prime was running the show
1992 Blazers - didn't play a lick of defense. They tried outscoring their opponents. 1st one to 150 wins!
1993 Suns - the first time they play defense will be the first. KJ, Chuck, Marjerle - case closed
1996 Sonics - Glove made him shoot like crap all series. Like you said Legit le
1997 or 1998 Jazz - I put an asterisk on that 1998 le. MJ was guarded by Hornacek and 6'0" Stockton. Then that er pushed off on Russell when clearly it was an offensive foul. Who knows what would have happened in game 7
Even at gunpoint, I'll say with a straight face that there is NOTHING that MJ could do that Kobe couldn't. The only edge I give MJ on over Kobe is shot selection. And not really because MJ never played with Kwame, Smush, Brian Cook, or inconsistent ass Odom.
I'll go even further to the Shaq/Kobe days. In the fourth quarter you knew that Shaq wasn't getting the ball because he is a liability on the FT line. That means that Kobe would get double and triple teamed - even with Shaq on the court. Of course your shooting %s will take a dive if you are repeatedly being asked to bail your team out with < 5 seconds on the clock - no matter if you are 25 feet from the basket. You take away those types of possessions and I guarantee you Kobe shoots over 50%.
Put Kobe on MJ's Bulls and he might actually have more than 6 rings. He'll still get it though. And when he has 7 rings, and have more career points, I don't want to hear about MJ ever again. Matter of fact, MJ is probably behind this lockout. He trying to make sure Kobe don't ring again. Hey MJ, Kobe is coming for that azz!!
Swept by the Mavs5 Star Thread Kool. Good job son. These haters can try to
2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics would have made MJ's life a living as well. Especially with strong side zones, players that are at least comparible athletically guarding him, along with agile swatters like Sheed, Big Ben, and KG waiting to clean up any mistakes. MJ never faced anything like that in the Finals.
I'll go a step further. What WC team played lights out lockdown defense?
1991 Lakers - good "team defense" but no notable lock down defenders. Their anchor? Vlade Divac. 57 year old Magic past his prime was running the show
1992 Blazers - didn't play a lick of defense. They tried outscoring their opponents. 1st one to 150 wins!
1993 Suns - the first time they play defense will be the first. KJ, Chuck, Marjerle - case closed
1996 Sonics - Glove made him shoot like crap all series. Like you said Legit le
1997 or 1998 Jazz - I put an asterisk on that 1998 le. MJ was guarded by Hornacek and 6'0" Stockton. Then that er pushed off on Russell when clearly it was an offensive foul. Who knows what would have happened in game 7
Even at gunpoint, I'll say with a straight face that there is NOTHING that MJ could do that Kobe couldn't. The only edge I give MJ on over Kobe is shot selection. And not really because MJ never played with Kwame, Smush, Brian Cook, or inconsistent ass Odom.
I'll go even further to the Shaq/Kobe days. In the fourth quarter you knew that Shaq wasn't getting the ball because he is a liability on the FT line. That means that Kobe would get double and triple teamed - even with Shaq on the court. Of course your shooting %s will take a dive if you are repeatedly being asked to bail your team out with < 5 seconds on the clock - no matter if you are 25 feet from the basket. You take away those types of possessions and I guarantee you Kobe shoots over 50%.
Put Kobe on MJ's Bulls and he might actually have more than 6 rings. He'll still get it though. And when he has 7 rings, and have more career points, I don't want to hear about MJ ever again. Matter of fact, MJ is probably behind this lockout. He trying to make sure Kobe don't ring again. Hey MJ, Kobe is coming for that azz!!
what you guys don't realize is that getting swept..by the Mavs was it..ohh yeah by the Mavs...it doesn't bother us...let me tell you why...sure we would have liked to have 3 peated but our goal is Kobe 7 rings. 7 is all we need. Sure we'll drop a good chance every few years or so... like we did to the Pistons and Celtics, and Mavs...we still maintain focus on the big picture...your guys are done and you know it...I think that's why you guys are so frustrated...3 years in a row and the Spurs bowed out ungracefully...
excellent analysis homie...I hope he gets it with Dwight and Pau so they can really be mad about him playing with another big man...5 Star Thread Kool. Good job son. These haters can try to
2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics would have made MJ's life a living as well. Especially with strong side zones, players that are at least comparible athletically guarding him, along with agile swatters like Sheed, Big Ben, and KG waiting to clean up any mistakes. MJ never faced anything like that in the Finals.
I'll go a step further. What WC team played lights out lockdown defense?
1991 Lakers - good "team defense" but no notable lock down defenders. Their anchor? Vlade Divac. 57 year old Magic past his prime was running the show
1992 Blazers - didn't play a lick of defense. They tried outscoring their opponents. 1st one to 150 wins!
1993 Suns - the first time they play defense will be the first. KJ, Chuck, Marjerle - case closed
1996 Sonics - Glove made him shoot like crap all series. Like you said Legit le
1997 or 1998 Jazz - I put an asterisk on that 1998 le. MJ was guarded by Hornacek and 6'0" Stockton. Then that er pushed off on Russell when clearly it was an offensive foul. Who knows what would have happened in game 7
Even at gunpoint, I'll say with a straight face that there is NOTHING that MJ could do that Kobe couldn't. The only edge I give MJ on over Kobe is shot selection. And not really because MJ never played with Kwame, Smush, Brian Cook, or inconsistent ass Odom.
I'll go even further to the Shaq/Kobe days. In the fourth quarter you knew that Shaq wasn't getting the ball because he is a liability on the FT line. That means that Kobe would get double and triple teamed - even with Shaq on the court. Of course your shooting %s will take a dive if you are repeatedly being asked to bail your team out with < 5 seconds on the clock - no matter if you are 25 feet from the basket. You take away those types of possessions and I guarantee you Kobe shoots over 50%.
Put Kobe on MJ's Bulls and he might actually have more than 6 rings. He'll still get it though. And when he has 7 rings, and have more career points, I don't want to hear about MJ ever again. Matter of fact, MJ is probably behind this lockout. He trying to make sure Kobe don't ring again. Hey MJ, Kobe is coming for that azz!!
This is why I'm not as big on MJ...back in the day I could't make this argument because I didn't see it..I saw what everyone else saw..MJ dominating his opponents...now we can see a much more comprehensive picture of his success, why and how it happened.
Spur fan is just happy someone has 1 more ring than Kobe so they can't be objective...they'll lick MJ's balls to the day he die so as long as it's MJ 6> Kobe 5
and this right here is da ultimate proof..
those early Laker le teams with Shaq and Kobe were built to compliment Shaq's talent; they were built around Shaq not Kobe...so anything Kobe did to excel was sheer will and determination. Because those early le teams were built around Shaq when he went out ( because he was a liability in the 4th) the players left on the floor didn't really compliment Kobe's game very well...and that's why Kobe was on an island ( getting doubled and tripled) and had to step up on both ends of the floor. ohh and he did so graciously carried they ass time and time and time again...I'll go even further to the Shaq/Kobe days. In the fourth quarter you knew that Shaq wasn't getting the ball because he is a liability on the FT line. That means that Kobe would get double and triple teamed - even with Shaq on the court. Of course your shooting %s will take a dive if you are repeatedly being asked to bail your team out with < 5 seconds on the clock - no matter if you are 25 feet from the basket. You take away those types of possessions and I guarantee you Kobe shoots over 50%.
He didn't need no MVP to validate his game... real Laker G's... know what was up...
Perfect Example - One of his finals performances:
Speaking of rat faces:
^tee, hee.
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