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    An interesting idea here:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...l-program?lite

    I'm for it. If they came as children, then it's not really their fault. And kicking them out after they've been here for years, making connections with friends, their location, etc etc. Plus, it gets around the complaint about opening up amnesty to people who will be collecting Medicare/Medicaid within a decade.

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    its a sting operation.


    gonna round'em up and shoot'em at the border.

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    more like path the more democrats amiriteeverybody

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    illegal is illegal is illegal. shameful day in our country.

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    An interesting idea here:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...l-program?lite

    I'm for it. If they came as children, then it's not really their fault. And kicking them out after they've been here for years, making connections with friends, their location, etc etc. Plus, it gets around the complaint about opening up amnesty to people who will be collecting Medicare/Medicaid within a decade.
    its a sting operation.
    No...

    I wish it was a sting operation.

    We cannot do this. It will create a reason for more people to bring their children over for the good of their children. Those who cir vent the legal immigration system should not be rewarded by giving their children a better future.

    Rewarding bad behavior will result in more bad behavior.

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    Great day for the USA and really epitomizes what this country is all about tbh.

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    Explain to me how rewarding bad behavior and having rampant border hopping is a good thing?

    This country was founded on hard work and honor. Having no honor in breaking the law and floundering around for years and years without working or being able to do anything, simply waiting for the day Obama gives you a freebie is un-American.

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    You really think these people were in hiding and providing nothing to society up until today ?

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    No...

    I wish it was a sting operation.

    We cannot do this. It will create a reason for more people to bring their children over for the good of their children. Those who cir vent the legal immigration system should not be rewarded by giving their children a better future.

    Rewarding bad behavior will result in more bad behavior.
    So... in your eyes, instead of just punishing the people responsible, you're also willing to punish the innocent, who came not of their own free will. Kids that may have been in this country since they were infants, and therefore identify as Americans. Those are the kinds of people you want to deport?

    I understand that there's certainly moral hazard introduced, but I don't think punishing those who are innocent of wrong-doing is the proper way to go about it.

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    i know plenty of em personally, yeah they couldn't work and went to school on the tax payers back. i know about 6 or 7 with degrees who have just been chilling waiting to use them. living with mommeh and daddeh and having babies. its sick.

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    So... in your eyes, instead of just punishing the people responsible, you're also willing to punish the innocent, who came not of their own free will. Kids that may have been in this country since they were infants, and therefore identify as Americans. Those are the kinds of people you want to deport?

    I understand that there's certainly moral hazard introduced, but I don't think punishing those who are innocent of wrong-doing is the proper way to go about it.
    have you read the rules? people who came here before 16. not infants.

    just because your wife is hispanic doesn't mean we want to be overrun by s who don't respect our country dude.

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    i've lived in a highly hispanic part of the country dude. i've seen the way they've destroyed ft worth and the healthcare system here. i've heard the horror stories from my doctor and medical professionals. i've seen how illegals i know get caught driving without a license and don't get in trouble, like they're above the ing law. i've seen the lists of DWI offenders posted publically in the paper each month, and how they're all gutierrez and ramirez. there's a thread in the club right now where a is asking for help getting out of his DWI. that dude, our white ancestors built this there ain't gonna be no reconquesta.

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    i know plenty of em personally, yeah they couldn't work and went to school on the tax payers back. i know about 6 or 7 with degrees who have just been chilling waiting to use them. living with mommeh and daddeh and having babies. its sick.
    No, you dont.

    I do and I can tell you theres tons of ways around it. Get a fake social security number or one that belongs to deceased person+a fake green card and most employers are either too stupid to realize the difference or just turn a blind eye. Look up how much 'unknown' money is collected by Social Security yearly. Thats coming from illegals who work, get paychecks and get deductions just like you or me. Only difference is they wont ever be able to reap the benefits of such programs. Or atleast those under 31 wouldnt have been able to prior to today, the ones over the age limit are still ed.

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    ^all that is fraud and it's highly illegal. and yes i ing do know people who have been pulled over without a license and nothing happens. yes i do know people with degrees who can't use them. you can't get away with that fraud in a white collar job. you just admitted that your people are law breakers and deserve nothing but deportation.

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    So... in your eyes, instead of just punishing the people responsible, you're also willing to punish the innocent, who came not of their own free will. Kids that may have been in this country since they were infants, and therefore identify as Americans. Those are the kinds of people you want to deport?

    I understand that there's certainly moral hazard introduced, but I don't think punishing those who are innocent of wrong-doing is the proper way to go about it.
    At least it's not abortion.

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    ^all that is fraud and it's highly illegal. and yes i ing do know people who have been pulled over without a license and nothing happens. yes i do know people with degrees who can't use them. you can't get away with that fraud in a white collar job. you just admitted that your people are law breakers and deserve nothing but deportation.
    It is fraud but its not shameless fraud. At the end of the day its a mutualistic relationship between illegals and the USA. The US government knows the types of jobs/places illegals frequent and would get rid of them if it wasnt. The notion that illegals piggyback on peoples taxes is ignorant.

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    You imbecile, the reason they want them here is to blur the lines between borders and get Americans used to living with brown people so that they can eventually usher in a north american union like they did in europe. that means no more USA, no more MEXICO. do you really want to lose the country you're so proud of? i know damn sure I won't lose mine, GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.


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    Is that you with the Xbox headset asking the question ?

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    Also why the hate for the EU ?

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    Because this used to be the greatest country on earth. My ancestors fought for this , and America really stood out from the rest for 200 years. The EU may be an appropriate decision for the europeans, but it's not the right one for us here who love America and value our sovereignty. If you're catholic, read revelation and read about the one world government that will come in the end times. This is bad stuff. I love my liberties and I'm not willing to give them up to power hungry globalists who want to oppress. I'm not throwing out my cons ution and country in exchange for a north american union and a new cons ution. It's not going to happen without a fight and I don't want to live in a world dominated by sadistic control freaks. I want to be free.

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    have you read the rules? people who came here before 16. not infants.

    just because your wife is hispanic doesn't mean we want to be overrun by s who don't respect our country dude.
    Infants are usually considered to be under the age of 16.

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    People residing in EU countries have liberties and freedom. The idea behind the EU itself wasnt a bad thing bruh. This aint happening here though, especially with all the s thats going on down in Mexico.

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    At least it's not abortion.
    Way to dodge the question WC.

    Why not just say you're fine with punishing the innocent if it prevents other illegals from bringing their children over in hopes of amnesty?

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    Infants are usually considered to be under the age of 16.
    you said infants in an attempt to make it more innocent than it really is but it's not just people who came here as infants dude it's 16 year olds too.

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