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MSNBC, as well as Fox news, are irrelevant.
Please stop posting these dumbass videos. You're not scoring any points against anyone.
Congrats! Mathews is a re ! These are things we know
...Obama surrogate.
I'm guessing he's not getting the same "tingle" with former Governor Mitt Romney.
MSNBC, as well as Fox news, are irrelevant.
Please stop posting these dumbass videos. You're not scoring any points against anyone.
Congrats! Mathews is a re ! These are things we know
He just activated Matthew's liberal automaton talking point
They are relevant. You can see where our brothers like Boutons, manny, chump, George, elnono, random, just to name a few get their thoughts from. You just witnessed how the birther conversation goes when a democrat brings it up. No matter what the republican says they call you a birther or you are insensitive to Obama when discussing the birther silliness. Keep on posting these videos. They are a hoot. God bless
I don't watch MSNBC and/or Chris Matthews. Ron bless
That's pretty ridiculous. A charge of racism? I mean it's dishonest to say he was just talking about being from Michigan, but how is that racism?
And@ "your side". Honestly could he be more transparently partisan? It's like he's channeling Sean Hannity or something.
LMAO @ MSNBC showing Lockup marathons every weekend.
LMAO @ FOX News' fair and balanced
Both channels are jokes.
Yes, the ones who keep repeating the same bull are outright idiots.
He just activated Matthew's liberal automaton talking point
He's a broken record
Jack, I am going to bet that manny, george, and most certainly nono and random don't watch MSNBC. Chump doesn't really have any talking points, he is mostly just here to serve as board antagonist but doesn't really add anything to the conversation (for the MOST part). MSNBC and Fox News are, for the most part, one in the same.
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From where do you suspect they picked up on the "Mitt Romney is extreme" meme? It didn't show up until a few weeks ago and now, it's the catch word on every liberals lips. It's even cropping up in here.
It didn't go mainstream until after that Akin idiot made his comment in Missouri but - now that Democrats think they have a winner in pimping this imaginary "War on Women" - all of a sudden, Mitt Romney is EXTREME!
Manny, George, and most certainly ElNono are getting their talking points form some liberal outlet. It doesn't have to be the ones mentioned in here because there are far too many for some of them to ever get mentioned in SpurTalk.
I will admit, that I don't read every single thread here, but I am not sure that I have seen people say that Romney is extreme (unless we are talking about boutons). Akin is extreme, Ryan has come out as far right as possible (at least on this issue). Romney allows for a little leeway. However, part of the Republican's platform is to legislate away a choice for a woman which seems like at least an attack if not a war on women.
As far as where they get their news, I don't know, but they are not extreme in their views so I would say that they dont get them from msnbc or fox (two peas in a pod). They also don't seem to post a lot of email chain fodder so they don't get their propaganda from the same place you do either. , Manny spends as much time criticizing Obama as he does supporting him.
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You are going to for lying, brother. Your anger has consumed you and caused you to bear false witness. I'd pray for you, but it wouldn't help.
Ron bless.
P.S. -- God doesn't give a about your post count whining either.
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And Barack Obama has come out as far left as possible, on this issue but, no one in the liberal media is calling that extreme.
Except when you consider there are conservative women who hold this position or, at least, don't feel the party's position is as extreme as do the opposition.
For instance, Democrats generally believe Republicans want to deprive women of contraception but, what the party has said is they don't want the government to pay for it and they don't believe religious-based health care providers and organizations should be forced to provide such services.
On the question of abortion, I think it's an entirely reasonable position to hold that, after conception, an unborn child is a human life. I also realize reasonable people disagree on this point. But, you have to admit, if this is a position reasonably held, being opposed to abortion isn't extreme.
"Internalized oppression
In sociology and psychology, internalized oppression is the manner in which an oppressed group comes to use against itself the methods of the oppressor. For example, sometimes members of marginalized groups hold an oppressive view toward their own group, or start to believe in negative stereotypes."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppress...zed_oppression
Really? He specifically said that abortions should be able to be done all the way up until the child crowns? I must have missed that since that would seem to be the other extreme to no abortions.
Great! This is why I am pro-Choice, so that those women have the right to choose that option.
Except when you consider there are conservative women who hold this position or, at least, don't feel the party's position is as extreme as do the opposition.
Until such time as we have a single payor system (or a quasi single payor system such as Germany), this is the way to get everyone covered for what is a issue which most certainly will affect their health. If you don't like it, rally the troops to amend the aca to move to a single payor (or even better, germany-like system).
For instance, Democrats generally believe Republicans want to deprive women of contraception but, what the party has said is they don't want the government to pay for it and they don't believe religious-based health care providers and organizations should be forced to provide such services.
As far as this goes, I had read a book by carl sagan where he tackles the subject in a pretty reasonable manner. Every time it comes up I go and look for it, but couldn't find it (I was looking in the wrong book). This is briefly what he says in "Dragons of Eden"On the question of abortion, I think it's an entirely reasonable position to hold that, after conception, an unborn child is a human life. I also realize reasonable people disagree on this point. But, you have to admit, if this is a position reasonably held, being opposed to abortion isn't extreme.
To get the full context of this particular conversation go here:This essential human quality, I believe, can only be our
intelligence. If so, the particular sanc y of human life can be
identified with the development and functioning of the
neocortex. We cannot require its full development, because that
does not occur until many years after birth. But perhaps we
might set the transition to humanity at the time when
neocortical activity begins, as determined by
electroencephalography of the fetus. Some insights on when
the brain develops a distinctly human character emerge from
the simplest embryological observations (see the figure on page
208). Very little work has been done in this field to date, and it
seems to me that such investigations could play a major role in
achieving an acceptable compromise in the abortion debate.
Undoubtedly there would be a variation from fetus to fetus as
to the time of initiation on the first neocortical EEC signals, and
a legal definition of the. beginning of characteristically human
life should be biased conservatively- that is, toward the
youngest fetus that exhibits such activity. Perhaps the
transition would fall toward the .end of the first trimester or
near the beginning of the second trimester of pregnancy. (Here
we are talking about what, in rational society, should be
prohibited by law: anyone who feels that abortion of a younger
fetus might be murder should be under no legal obligation to
perform or accept such an abortion.)
http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvin...gonsofeden.pdf
and start on the end of page 134 and go through the beginning of 138
I wouldn't go that far at all, their choice is against abortions (as is that of myself and my wife), but the difference is that we aren't high and mighty about our choice that affects US. We don't try to make our choice YOUR choice.
Why are you opposed to abortion?
That's a pretty important difference, though.
The way I read it, Yoni's comment seemed to indicate that anti-abortion policy or the Republican's platform of legislating away a woman's choice can't be part of the "war on women" because other women support it.
A woman being anti-abortion on a personal level is not, in my opinion, an example of internalized oppression. A woman supporting anti-abortion legislation, however, absolutely is.
Because it is and has been the right choice for our situation (TBH there has been only one time that we exercised that choice which is neither here nor there just wanted to make it clear that this isn't some kind of weekly choice we make)
How do you feel about people who support legislation against murder?
Just understand that most pro choice people don't see abortion any different than murder. If legislation against murder is oppression, then so be it.
Fair enough. This makes it a little clearer, I withdraw my argument.
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