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wow just halfway into film they really trying to sell DVD's for $300... really?
Which thread did this one get debunked at?
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
wow just halfway into film they really trying to sell DVD's for $300... really?
They know their target audience is a bunch of gullible re s
It's never been debunked because Chumpy doesn't have 2 hours to watch itWhich thread did this one get debunked at?
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
Lol
Seriously, Chumpy attempted to prove once that nano-engineered ion spheres were actually chips of red paint...what a dumb-ass...
9/11: INTERCEPTED - Full Film
Simulated radar tracks, aircraft exceeding their max operating limits by more than 130-150 knots, inaccurate aircraft position reports, false aircraft target reports, aircraft converging -- flying virtually in formation with -- and then diverging from reported 9/11 aircraft, fighters launched in the wrong direction, aircraft seemingly still airborne after the alleged attack, poor communications, phones not working.... What happened on the morning of September 11, 2001? Why were our defenses ineffective? Pilots For 9/11 Truth analyze NORAD response, Audio recordings as well as Radar data provided by government agencies.
Want it debunked? Give me a time index of what you mean. I am not going to watch 1-1/2 hr of a show with commercials in it to disprove something that I'm sure already has.
Actually I asked you a question about one of the points raised in that video the other day.It's never been debunked because Chumpy doesn't have 2 hours to watch it
You failed to answer.
I don't think you watched it tbh.
Wow, you don't even know what you are talking about anymore.
The iron-rich spheres were supposed to be the result of the ignition of the red chips of super-duper-nano-thermite/mate-magic beans. The problem is that iron rich microspheres can be produced by any number of processes that involve heat and organic compounds. It's a problem that no other possible processes were excluded.
It is also a problem that paint was not excluded as the material that made up the red-grey chips.
Occam's razor cuts through bad science.
Not only that, but even though there is evidence of a theritic reaction, there is no evidence of thermite.
Thermite is more than just iron oxide and aluminum. It has other elements in a balanced mix to achieve it's best potential.
Yeah, there wasn't any aluminum in the chips.
That's definitive evidence it wasn't thermite.
It appears dan isn't keeping up on his dogged and scholarly research into 9/11.
He does claim to be searching for the truth, so I will give it to him:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64959841/911..._030112web.pdf
It turns out what I said was probably paint...
...was paint.
lol
(page 6 if you care to read it, dan)
Before bed, I believe a victory lap is in order.
From my cursory reading on this, it seems the twoofers have discovered the presence of red paint in the twin towers.
welcome to the Spurstalk political forum where engineered super nano-thermite spheres become 'chips of red paint'
Typical Chumpy...
Ignore and deflect...I answered your question.Actually I asked you a question about one of the points raised in that video the other day.
You failed to answer.
I don't think you watched it tbh.
Why didn't you answer mine? If he was wrong, why did NIST change their findings?
WrongThe iron-rich spheres were supposed to be the result of the ignition of the red chips of super-duper-nano-thermite/mate-magic beans. The problem is that iron rich microspheres can be produced by any number of processes that involve heat and organic compounds. It's a problem that no other possible processes were excluded.
Nope, these materials certainly didn't mill themselves, so who did mill them? The Wikipedia article states that:Although these elements -- aluminum, iron, oxygen, and silicon -- were all abundant in building materials used in the Twin Towers, it is not possible that such materials milled themselves into fine powder and assembled themselves into a chemically optimized aluminothermic composite as a by-product of the destruction of the Twin Towers.
Funny thing about the Naval Surface Warfare Center:A method for producing nanoscale, or ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminum powders, a key component of most nano-thermitic materials, is the dynamic gas-phase condensation method, pioneered by Wayne Danen and Steve Son at Los Alamos National Laboratory. A variant of the method is being used at the Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center."
Source: http://911blogger.com/node/2052The Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center, (a branch of the Naval Sea Systems Command or NAVSEA), described in 1999 as the "national center for energetics"[1], "the only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States"[2] and in 2008 as "probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology"[3], alleges via Freedom of Information Act replies that records "regarding research and development of nano-sized or Ultra Fine Grained (UFG) aluminum powders, nano-sized or Ultra Fine Grained (UFG) iron oxide powders or other metal oxide powders and Metastable Intermolecular Composites prior to 2002" do not exist. According to Indian Head, "research may have been conducted by Indian Head Division personnel but not submitted."-
As the Rock Creek Free Press pointed out in their bombs article "Scientists Find Explosives in World Trade Center Dust":
So now the question is not if an explosive method was used, but which one? Well, there is evidence for both. Let's start with nano-thermite igniting other explosives, the Wikipedia article states that:The authors avoided describing the material as "explosive" because the flakes studied are too small to assess the bulk properties of the material.
To test the power of this thermitic material, small samples were heated in a Differential Scanning Calorimeter, a very sensitive device for detecting the heat generated by a chemical reaction. The samples ignited at about 430ºC and generated as much or more heat than an equal mass of high explosive such as TNT.
So the material could have been the explosive itself, or it could have ignited other explosives. The scientists not being 100% sure about this has been used by the Screw Loose Change blog as a talking point against their findings. Which is beyond ridiculous, because they presented no argument that the material was anything but nano-thermite, but rather a debate about how energetic the material was.
"Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials."
Ok, this is just embarrassing now...look for more ignorance and deflection from chumpy
From the The Open Chemical Physics Journal
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...001/7TOCPJ.SGMThe properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
No aluminum present...
Red paint chips...
Now chumpy knows better than Physicists
Chumpy
I told Chump and his lap dog WC the truth will surface now they are panicking trying to figure out what screen name to use when it all comes out as facts.
I wonder if Slomo will feel sorry for them and at least give them they're post count.
Love how these Bush Lovers love to declare premature victory, relish in their poorly research 'facts', and uniformly label anyone who dare disagree with them a conspiracy nut
From Chumpy's link
From The Open Chemical Physics JournalThere is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the
red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nanothermite.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...001/7TOCPJ.SGMwhile aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material.
Chumpy is a tool.
Typical dan.
No you didn't.
I'm still waiting. You didn't answer.
And lol Steven Jones.
Did you red it, dan?
Yes or no.
Here, dan: tell us all where this guy went wrong.Thanks in advance for your full, non hand-waving, scientific answer stating how you know much more than this engineer who actually tested the actual dust.Methods
In order to confirm that the samples chosen had the characteristics of WTC dust, the
samples were examined by stereomicroscope and by polarized light microscopy (PLM)
according to the procedures described in Turner et al., 20054 (Figures 2 and 3). The
analytical procedures used to characterize the red/gray chips were based on the criteria
for the particles of interest in accordance with the recommended guidelines for forensic
identification of explosives5 and the ASTM standard guide for forensic paint analysis
and comparison.6 The criteria for the particles of interest as described by Harrit et al.1
are: small red/gray chips attracted by a magnet and showing an elemental composition
primarily of aluminum, silicon and iron as determined by scanning electron microscopy
and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (SEM-EDS) (Figure 4). The spectrum may
also contain small peaks related to other elements. To that end, the following protocol
was performed on each of the four WTC dust samples.
1. The dust sample particles contained in a plastic bag were drawn across a
magnet and those attracted to the magnet were collected (Figure 5).
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2. Using a stereomicroscope, particle chips showing the characteristic red/gray
were removed and washed in clean water.
3. The particles were dried and mounted on a carbon adhesive film on an SEM stub
and photographed (Figure 6).
4. Analysis of the surfaces of the chips was done by SEM-EDS at 20 kV without any
added conductive coating (Figures 7 and 8).
Red/gray particles that matched the criteria (attracted to a magnet and an EDS Al-Si-Fe
spectrum) were then considered particles of interest and subjected to additional analytical
testing. The additional tests included: Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR);
SEM-EDS of cross-sections; low temperature ashing and residue analysis by
transmission electron microscopy (TEM) with selected area electron diffraction (SAED)
and EDS; muffle furnace ashing and residue analysis by PLM and TEM-SAED-EDS;
ultra-microtome sectioning of the red layer and analysis by TEM-SAED-EDS; and solvent
tests.
Stereomicroscopy was done using either an Olympus SZ-40 stereomicroscope or a
Wild M5-49066 stereomicroscope.
Polarized light microscope (PLM) examination of the dusts and ashed residue was done
with an Olympus BH-2 PLM or an aus Jena Jenapol PLM.
Scanning electron microscope (SEM) analysis of the surfaces of red/gray chips was
done using a JEOL Model JSM-6490LV SEM coupled with a Thermo Scientific Noran
System SIX x-ray energy dispersive spectrometer (EDS). Digital x-ray images and
phase mapping was also done with this instrument.
Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy (FTIR) was performed with a SensIR FTIR
equipped with a diamond ATR objective and attached to an Olympus BX-51 compound
microscope.
Cross-sections of the chips of interest were made with clean scalpel blades. The
analysis of cross-sections was done with a JEOL Model JSM-6500F field emission SEM
with a Thermo Scientific Noran System SIX EDS system.
Low-temperature ashing (LTA) is an alternative to using solvents to extract inorganic
cons uents from an organic film or coating.6 LTA of the chips of interest was done
using an SPI Plasma Prep II plasma asher. LTA was performed for time periods of
30 minutes to 1 hour depending on the size of the chip. The gray layer remained intact
and the red layer residue was collected in clean water and drops of the suspension
were placed on carbon-film TEM grids. After drying, the particulate was analyzed using
a Philips CM120 TEM capable of SAED and equipped with an Oxford EDS system.
Chips of interest were ashed in a muffle furnace using a NEY Temperature
Programmable furnace operated at 400oC for 1 hour. The gray layer remained intact
and the red layer residue was prepared as described above and analyzed using a
Philips CM120 TEM-SAED-EDS.
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Ultra-thin sections of a red layer were cut using a Reichert-Jung Ultracut E Ultramicrotome
with a diamond knife. The ultra-thin sections were placed directly on TEM grids and
analyzed using a Philips EM 420 TEM-SAED-EDS.
Samples of red/gray chips were placed in several solvents overnight and then subjected
to ultrasonic agitation to determine if the solvents could dissolve the epoxy binder and
liberate the internal particles. The solvents included methylene chloride, methyl ethyl
ketone (MEK), and two commercial paint strippers used for epoxy resins. The
commercial paint strippers, Klean-Strip KS-3 Premium Stripper and Jasco Premium
Paint and Epoxy Remover, contain methylene chloride, methanol and mineral spirits.
One red/gray chip was subjected to 55 hours of submersion in MEK, then dried and
coated with a thin layer of gold for conductivity. The red layer was analyzed by SEMEDS
analysis using an advanced x-ray phase mapping technique. The technique uses
a multivariate statistical analysis program to find spectrally similar regions in a spectral
image acquisition. It analyzes the spectrum at each pixel location and then groups the
pixels with similar spectra into principal components or phases.
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blow your load already chumpy and quite ing around if you got evidence that all these physicists and chemical engineers are wrong prove it...
OREilly?
There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the
red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nanothermite.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...002/7TOCPJ.pdf
Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmarkthis paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later.
The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these
chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
2Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84602, USA
3S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, 84606, USA
49/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN 47401, USA
5Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia
6Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA 94704, USA
7International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX 75231, USA
I've got 6 physicists and other scientists, engineers and architects to your one...
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