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Seemed like Speights had the games of his life against the Spurs. Anything that costs them depth on the front line is good for the other west teams.
The Memphis Grizzlies have completed a multiplayer trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers, slicing more than $6 million off their payroll to get under the luxury tax threshold.
Memphis sent big man Marreese Speights, guard Wayne Ellington and guard Josh Selby to the Cavs for forward Jon Leuer and a future first-round draft pick.
The pick is the most valuable part of the deal for the Cavs because it has protections that would send Cleveland the next draft pick the Grizzlies have between Nos. 6 and 14 this season and 2016, making it a likely lottery selection. It is the sixth first-round pick the Cavs have traded for since 2010.The Grizzlies will fall below the luxury tax threshold after sending Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington and Josh Selby to Cleveland for Jon Leuer and a future first-round draft pick.
The Grizzlies, under pressure to reduce payroll, had been in trade talks with teams around the league involving stars Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph.
This deal is expected to ease those concerns in the short term and allow the Grizzlies to keep their starters together. Memphis owes Gay, Randolph and Marc Gasol nearly $50 million combined next season.
Memphis is currently 26-14, fourth place in the Western Conference and second place in the Southwest Division, five games behind the San Antonio Spurs.
To get the deal done the Cavs used salary-cap space to absorb some of the contracts and waived guard Jeremy Pargo. The Grizzlies will receive a trade exception of more than $4 million that they can use in a future trade over the next year.
Speights averages 6.5 points and 4.7 rebounds and has been a key big man off the bench for the Grizzlies. He makes $4.2 million this season and has a player option at $4.5 million for next season. Ellington is averaging 5.5 points off the bench. Selby has played in only 10 games, averaging two points. Leuer, who the Cavs claimed off waivers over the summer from the Houston Rockets, has only played in nine games, averaging 2.4 points.
The Grizzlies owe the Minnesota Timberwolves their next non-lottery first round pick over the next three seasons as part of a previous deal. The Cavs would get the Grizzlies' next lottery pick, as long as it falls outside the top five, over the same span.
From ESPN
I don't think this has much impact in any future meeting with the Spurs. Though Speights played pretty wells as a backup big.
Seemed like Speights had the games of his life against the Spurs. Anything that costs them depth on the front line is good for the other west teams.
Damn, that was a great trade by Memphis. WTF is Cleveland thinking?
Speights sucks; he has the worst defensive instincts of any bigman in the league this side of Drew Gooden. He's decent offensively but Memphis didn't need him since Darrell Arthur is closing in on 100%.
Wayne Ellington is nothing special. He's basically a decent 11th or 12th man. A guy who only puts points on the board who scores less than 13 points per 40 minutes isn't worth much more than the minimum. I don't even know why the Grizzlies played him so much since he really doesn't help in any area.
Josh Selby is only in the league because he's a summer league phenom. In actual NBA games, he has sucked. Besides, the Grizzlies have a similar prospect in Tony Wroten who is better anyways.
In return for that threesome of suckage, the Grizzlies get a first round lottery pick? Are you kidding me? On top of that, John Leuer had a pretty damn good rookie season. And his skillset (a bigman who can shoot from the perimeter) fits in pretty darn well. , Leuer might be better than Speights, Ellington or Selby.
Three bad players they didn't need plus shedding $6M in contracts for a future lottery pick and a decent prospect? Hollinger just destroyed the Cavs in his first trade.
Cavs are doomed for good
I think it leaves the Grizzlies the same for now in the short term. They lose depth, that's for sure. All 3 of those guys took up some minutes for their team, and now they don't have as much depth. What do they have off the bench now? Just Bayless and Arthur?
we could have send them bonner or neal for that 1st round. damn.
The Grizzlies aren't getting a pick, they're giving it up, right?
The wording of that is screwy, it reads like both teams get a first round pick. That makes no sense.
timvp, my understanding of the deal is that the Cavs, not the Griz, would acquire the pick. That first part is confusing.
The way I read it it's the Grizzlies who owe Cavs the pick. Still a good financial trade for them though.In return for that threesome of suckage, the Grizzlies get a first round lottery pick? Are you kidding me? On top of that, John Leuer had a pretty damn good rookie season. And his skillset (a bigman who can shoot from the perimeter) fits in pretty darn well. , Leuer might be better than Speights, Ellington or Selby.
Three bad players they didn't need plus shedding $6M in contracts for a future lottery pick and a decent prospect? Hollinger just destroyed the Cavs in his first trade.
I think you're thinking of Arthur, tbh.
Selby never played. A healthy Arthur can fill in for Speights (any leftover minutes can be handle by Leuer). Pondexter can fill in for Ellington (like he did sometimes anyways). And they can sign someone off the street who will be able to give the ~10 PER Ellington provided.
The Grizzlies lost two deep bench players and a D-League player. That'd be like if the Spurs traded Bonner, Blair and Joseph ... technically it's depth but not really in actuality.
Memphis sent big man Marreese Speights, guard Wayne Ellington and guard Josh Selby to the Cavs for forward Jon Leuer and a future first-round draft pick.
You could be right. He definitely seems to abuse any backup Spur he plays against. Thought Speights did the same thing. Everyone was so bad in that playoff series there was plenty to feast on tbh.
At what player they can make a push in offseason ?
The wording in this article sucks. This part:
The pick is the most valuable part of the deal for the Cavs because it has protections that would send Cleveland the next draft pick the Grizzlies have between Nos. 6 and 14 this season and 2016, making it a likely lottery selection. It is the sixth first-round pick the Cavs have traded for since 2010.
makes it pretty clear is the Cavs who receive the pick. That makes a lot more sense too.
I'm so way behind in total post it's not even funny
It happens to the best of us. Personally, I like the trade for both teams. Cleveland is ac ulating assets using their cap space while the Griz can keep their core together.
That's not gonna be good for business.
Alright, after gluing my brain back together, this deal is still good for the Grizzlies but it makes more sense.
The real deal = "Memphis sent big man Marreese Speights, guard Wayne Ellington, guard Josh Selby and a future first-round draft pick to the Cavs for forward Jon Leuer."
Trash for Leuer is a wash. (I'd rather have Leuer than those three at a cost of $6M, though.)
The first round draft pick is basically a bet by the Grizzlies that they'll remain a playoff team for the rest of this decade. That's a decent bet but it's also somewhat risky. They're a couple injuries away from sliding down and losing a late lottery pick, IMO. So, yeah, that's a risk.
But the big win for the Grizzlies is it looks like they'll be able to keep the rest of their team together.
All in all, an acceptable trade by both sides. The Cavs are basically paying $6M for a chance at a lottery pick ... which isn't a bad gamble. The Grizzlies are shedding three players they didn't need for a decent prospect and the right to keep their team together, while taking the risk of losing a lottery pick down the line. That sounds pretty smart, too.
This trade is a huge fail for Memphis.
In July, they made moves like re-signing Speights and Haddadi that put them above the tax. 6 months later, they have to trade away a lottery pick to erase these moves and go under the tax.
Grizzlies wasting no time. They're signing Delonte West, Bill Walker, and Sasha Vujacic.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...r_West_Vujacic
Whoa, a Stump appearance. Whats up man?
Interesting. . .Vujacic is a good shooter, and West is a decent backup. No real comments on Walker, but they added to their offense with those signings. West is a decent defender too, so their defensive depth is going to be pretty solid.
This is totally going to be the Nuggets in a year or two.
Hollinger looks like he's having an impact since they're undoing a lot of dumb stuff.
Walker, West and Vujacic is a pretty damn good haul for this point in the season.
Leuer, Walker, West and Vujacic > Speights, Ellington and Selby
The loss of a lottery pick at some point in the future hurts in theory but 1) if they keep winning it won't be a lottery pick 2) saving $6M now for them to keep the rest of their team intact isn't a bad deal for a 10-14 pick, IMO
Given their current position, this is a trade the Grizzlies should have been glad to make. Keep winning and it's a great trade.
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