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Deron Williams is shooting 41 percent from the floor. You definitely want to throw max money at that and lock that up.
And the Mavs decided to let him go so they could chase a fat, overrated PG and a "franchise center" who is now coming off a back injury, is a s of his former self physically and mentally is an 8 year old head.
Deron Williams is shooting 41 percent from the floor. You definitely want to throw max money at that and lock that up.
But it was a good move according to some of the Mavs regulars. A couple of us knew it was a mistake, and knew Cuban wasn't interested in paying for another ring.
they should go after cp3 and bynum this offseason tbh
Zach Lowe says Tyson Chandler is one of the top 15 players in the league.
I defended the Mavs when Nash won his bogus MVPs over Kobe because they weren't worse off without him and keeping him wouldn't have gotten them any closer to a le. You could have rebuilt around Chandler and another star when Dirk's contract was up with Dirk's salary slot.
Chandler isn't even close to being a top 15 player, but ya, one of the worst moves in recent history..even with Miami's subsequent improvements, particularly Lebron, Dallas still had the formula to expose their weaknesses..
The Mavs have always matched up well with OKC, I don't see any reason that they couldn't have defeated them once again..
^everyone laughed at me tbh
At the very least he's a top 25 player. He's an All Star. I wouldn't call him a #1 guy by any means but he is a foundational piece you build around and he plays a critical position. There are lots of scoring shooting guards and small forwards but very few players that can anchor a defense without being a complete liability of offense like Chandler. I get that Cuban didn't want to end up in salary cap with the new CBA so I don't blame him for letting Butler, JJB and Stevenson walk. Those guys were not worth bringing back because you can replace their production for less than what it would cost to keep them. But there aren't many centers like Chandler. Just a terrible, terrible mistake. They could have remained compe ive through the rest of Dirk's contract. The Clips filled out their bench for cheap with veterans who wanted to play with CP3 and Griffin. Dallas could have been a similar attractive destination for ring-chasing vets with Dirk and Chandler, and when Dirk's contract was up, they could have used his slot to sign another star.
amnesty marion and go after cp3, millsap, pekovic, bynum, and resign mayo
I say be sellers this week and trade Marion, VC and Brand for whatever you can get in terms of picks and expiring contracts. Try to tank record-wise into a top 10 pick. I wouldn't mind being terrible next year to get in on the Andrew Wiggins sweepstakes.
You guys already amnestied Haywood.
thats right i forgot about that useless haywood
I agree that Chandler is a top 15 player. He's by far the best all-around bigman defender in the NBA; nobody is even a close second (I guess Noah would be second these days). On offense, he sets very good screens and is highly efficient. He's also the opposite of a stat padder (for example, he could average 3+ blocks but he instead just plays the type of solid defense that doesn't show up on the stat sheet).
it's not like the mavs could've won multiple rings even with TC tbh. they won the le that year but at the same time, they lost the ambition which drove them to the championship. they might still be a perennial playoff team w/ TC and kidd but it's gonna be hard for them to fight off the likes of spurs, clippers and OKC, not to say that you can't expect miami to step into the same ditch for a 2nd time tbh
He's a top 25 guy, I wouldn't put him in the top 15, but I was vehemently against the move at the time and it looks even worse now..I have the urge to bump the hundreds of posts of my anti-Deron Williams arguments against his legion of fans here and all over the Internet..
Agreed with Findog about selling on Marion and Carter..Marion would still be a nice player for a contender, and Carter has been one of the best role players in the NBA during his Mavs tenure..I'm not sure about Marion's contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if a contender asked about either guy..
LOL, if these posts were legal violations, I'd be in death row by now. I vehemently defended Deron
dirks injury didnt help either...
i guess if he hadn't resigned haywood to such a ludicrous contract, he would've probably taken the risk of giving TC the big contract he demanded, and apparently he didn't know he would get an amnesty provision to get rid of the contract , which he actually did. letting TC walk was a true blunder but i don't think they could've won another championship w/o such level of ambition they had during the 11' run, even if they had kept TC.
it's still a terrible mistake because, if you had kept TC in dallas, the mavs would've still been competing against the likes of memphis and denver for a seat in the playoffs, or maybe even the 2nd round, as opposed to being tied to mediocrity for years to come
Why on Earth would CP3 leave a top 3 team in the West and take less money to play with an over-the-hill Dirk and always-injured Bynum?
He won't. The new CBA makes it harder to sign away guys who get max offers from their current team. He'd be giving up an extra year and however much $$$ to play in Dallas.
Dallas needs to either bottom out and go with the OKC model and try to get Andrew Wiggins, or go with the Boston 08 model and stockpile assets to trade for stars in their prime.
i wouldn't consider TC one of the top players, but he's the guy you need most if your team is aimed at winning the championship imho. if you put TC on a scrub team (like the bobcats) he's no more than an average player, and that's why so many heads criticised the deal when he first joined them mavs in 10' summer. quality bigs don't grow on trees, especially those who're willing to sacrifice their own stats for the good of his team. there might be other bigs with similar potential, like dalembert, but you don't always have such good luck to pick a piece of gold from dust tbh
It wasn't a good move but I can still see and understand Cuban's reasoning.
Before 2011, Chandler was an incredibly injury prone center who couldn't even start for the Bobcats. He was terrific in Dallas, but even then he was such a fouling machine that he'd have to sit for long stretches, and the last five minutes of every Mavs game was a stressful event since Tyson was almost always playing with five fouls.
At the time NOBODY could say definitively that he'd continue to play as well as he did in 2011 or that he'd stay as healthy as he has. You're a ing liar if you say otherwise.
At that point Dwight Howard was also playing at an MVP level and, even with a healthy Chandler, would have been a massive upgrade. If you say you knew Dwight Howard would, in less than two years, devolve into an injury prone pussy, you're also a ing liar.
You can LOL at Cuban for signing tier centers to better deals, you can LOL Cuban for what, in hindsight, was absolutely a horrific decision. But you cannot seriously take him to task for thinking in 2011 "I have no idea if Tyson Chandler can stay this healthy again, nor do I have any clue if he can keep playing at this level. I also see a guy in Dwight Howard who at this moment is a significant upgrade and possibly available soon".
Yes, Cuban made a huge mistake, but don't act like he has ing Bill Russell in his prime and dumped him for a shot at Tree Rollins.
lol son the facial expression on the lonely brotha in the right hand corner says it all. this is great. when did this happen and what caused it?
My thinking at the time was that Chandler had already proven himself to be the best center in franchise history, warts and all. He had proven to be the missing piece of the Dirk years. Getting Howard to come here always struck me as a pipe dream. For me it's not trading in Bill Russell for a shot at Tree Rollins but getting rid of a BMW for a longshot chance at a Rolls Royce.
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