Born: Sep 9, 1986
Height: 6-8
Weight: 230 lbs.
Prior to NBA: UCLA
Years Pro: 4
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If san antonio could get him we could become an elite defensive team
maybe #1
A parker/ginobili or green/a Moute/Leonard/Duncan lineup can defend the teams with stretch 4s well (OKC/Miami)
and the big lineup with splitter/duncan can defend the clippers/memphis well
really hoping SA gets some deal done with milwaukee
they really want a backup PG/SG and have loads of frontcourt players to trade
Dalembert/Udoh or Mbah a Moute could be possible to get
Decent read regarding the bucks and potential trade :
http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/1/14/3874276/milwaukee-bucks-lineup-pyramids-vol-5
I'm not they're gonna make any move at all tbh, also Mbah a Moute is never mentioned is potential trades...
Mbah a Moute was a skiles favorite
and unlike Pop other coaches dont just ship their asses out after proclaiming them favorites
Their rotation looks like Ilyasova/Henson PF Sanders/Udoh/Dalembert C
new coach is playing moute at SF with dunleavy backing him up
skiles had moute at PF
but if they trade moute it opens up playing time for Tobias Harris/Doron Lamb who both have solid potential
Why not move Dunleavy tho? Lack of shooting maybe but then what does he really add to our team? Not rebounding, not shooting... I don't see a huge upgrade...
Moute is a defensive beast and he can guard multiple positions. Still, he has no offensive game. Skiles loved him, but since he is not there anymore, I am not sure what's going to happen with him. MIL is stacked at the 4 position with Ilyasova and Henson and Gooden (cof cof). At the 3 they have Tobias Harris to be developed (SF with a very nice post game, but atrocious defensively) and Dunleavy who is the best shooter on that team.
The most I'd offer is Bonner + Neal
He's an undersized power-forward with almost no offensive game and very little in the way on compensating defense. As I said in the game thread, I watched him in the Lakers' game last night. He started the game on Howard, which was impressive until Dwight started overpowering him inside. Then, he moved out on the perimeter. On offense, he was guarded by Nash ... and really didn't do much of anything against him. Mbah a Moute tried to back Nash down in the post, but he gave up pretty early. Then, he started facing up Nash, and he did manage to blow by him (which probably says more about Nash) but he looked even worse at finishing that Green does.
He used to be a decent three-point shooter (35 percent in 2009-2010), and I think he can learn to be again in a system that focuses on players getting good shots. Defensively, he can play the three, but his lack handles make his ceiling there pretty low. I think he fits best as a combo-forward who just stands in the corner waiting for a pass. The Spurs trading for him would mean that players like Kawhi and Green may be asked to do more creating when paired with Mbah a Moute. It's possible that Kawhi plays the "four" with Mbah a Moute at the "three," but just like right now with Ilyasova, I don't think that distinction would end up mattering much.
Mbah a Moute makes the spurs perimeter defense elite
hes the closest thing to a bowen in the league today
maybe sefoloshoa is the closest
both are extremely long and not laterally challenged
they also play to make guys take bad shots not to pad steals/blocks like a lot of defenders do
Mbah a moute gives you another experienced and elite defender to throw at lebron and durant which is never a bad thing
his offensive game isnt great but he has enough skills to be productive
you have to take into account that he plays with 2 of the best chuckers in the league in ellis/jennings and milwaukee already has no spacing
spurs with elite playmakers, good coaching/plays, and chip england could make him into a productive player offensively
and danny green only shot 37% from college 3 and kawhi shot like 25% so improvement is possible
and if it fails he can just be put on the weakside and cut for dunks like avery bradley does
hes athletic enough to pull it off
He also makes Jackson expendable and hes cheap
jackson is playing terrible this season and hes always been a low efficiency chucker most of his career
not only can he not shoot, he cant guard anybody either
.395%/.304/.674 "efficiency" with 1.5 TOs in 22 minutes
A moute fixes the spurs pick and roll defense problems and an athletic defensive wing is more important then a backup C now that we have aron baynes who im sure will be a productive player for 10-15 mins a game
Spurs perimeter pick and roll defense is actually pretty bad but the rim defense is elite
a Tall athletic wing to guard the mobile stretch 4s like ibaka will stop all those "fluke" shooting nights spurfan complains about
Anyone know if the Bucks have this guy on the market?
Can't hit 3s, so he'd be useless to the Spurs
Have you seen him play defense?
Mbah a Moute also shot at 35 percent from three a few seasons ago. I think he could develop a corner three. In many ways, he's a better-defensive, but much worse offensive version of Leonard. He's probably the only guy outside of Lebron who can guard all five positions.
The Bucks are apparently looking to swing a deal for Red and/or Smith. It Milwaukee gets Smith, they have little use for Mbah a Moute and will probably want to move him. Atlanta probably wouldn't want his contract. The Spurs can use Bonner's contract with Blair's in order take Mbah a Moute. I could see something like that happening. The Spurs may have to add some sweeteners for Atlanta to bite, but I think it works for all teams.
With Leonard, Jackson, and Diaw on the roster, where would Mbah a Moute fit in the rotation? Or does this assume that the Spurs move Jackson?
It looks like that Orlando offered Re for Moute + 1st.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...-First-Rounder
Honestly, I don't understand the fascination for Re . His situation reminds me Mike Miller a few years ago when a lot of teams wanted him and he ended up in Miami getting the full MLE. Look at him now.
I wonder if SA could get involved as a 3rd team.
He hit 35% but only took 17 shots. He was 6/17 in 73 games. Statistical fluke from small sample size. He's only shot 56 threes in a 5 year career spanning over 300 games. If he was gonna develop a 3 point shot, he'd have it by now
Doesn't matter tbh. If he can't hit 3's, we'd be playing 4-on-5 on the offensive end. Look at how much time Pop committed to Bonner to see how important floor spacing is for us.
So he doesn't take many means he can't make any? That's not a good argument. Players that don't take many threes often have a low percentage because the ones they take are in not good shots, like at the end of the shot clock. My guess is that he'd have a much better chance at making those shots if he was in the Spurs' system. He's also only 26 years old. He's not too old to learn how to shoot better from three. Richard Jefferson (*shutter*) dramatically improved his corner shot while in San Antonio, and he was 30. Leonard also went from not being able to hit threes at all to being a 40-percent shooter over the course of one season.
Usually, I consider Mbah a Moute as a target for Bonner's deal come draft night, so I see him as a replacement for Jack. In this case, I'd consider him someone to compete with Jack for minutes this season and replace him next season. It definitely opens up room to move Jack for another player it they want to.
Pretty much yes. If he was actually a decent 3 point shooter then he would be getting shots. If a guy is only taking 4 three point shots in a season as he did last year, thats about as good an indicator as anything that he is a bad three point shooter. , Timmy has shot 2/5 this year, does that mean he could have been a stretch 4 during his career?
The Jefferson comparison is completely flawed also. Mbah a Moute has only taken 56 shots in 5 years, Jefferson only once had a single year where he took fewer than that, his second season. The year before he came to the Spurs, Jefferson shot 292 threes and hit at 40% for Milwaukee.
An extra combo forward defender wouldn't hurt. Always liked him, despite his so-called "lack of an offensive game."
Tiago Splitter can't hit a jump shot....so does that make him useless on the Spurs???
Splitter is a 7 foot center, not a 6'8 forward. If you're arguing for Mbah a Moute to come in and exclusively play the 4 next to Timmy then maybe he'd have some use, but he absolutely cannot play as a wing in the Spurs system with his 3 point shooting.
I disagree with that whole post.
No, shooting few threes just means you're not a focus in the offense. While sample size can be an issue, it can't ever be used to confirm the absence of something.
On the Duncan attempt at a strawman, yes, he could have learned to shoot threes if the Spurs had wanted him to. He had three-point range in college, and he feels comfortable taking a shot out to about 21 feet now. I bet he'd be a fine corner-three shooter next year if he worked at it this off-season.
I shouldn't have to address the fallacy behind using sample size as an argument for negation again. I will say that Jefferson's mechanics were wrong, which is why it took him a couple of years to become the shooter he was in his final year and change with the Spurs. He even admitted as much.
In short, there have been numerous examples of players learning how to shoot three-pointers late in their careers. It's really not hard to learn how to make a wide-open shot from a particular spot on the court, and that's pretty much all he has to do in the Spurs' offense. Not being a great shooter didn't keep Leonard off the floor early last season, and if wouldn't prevent Mbah a Moute from at least getting in for small-ball lineups. If the Spurs can deal with Duncan and Splitter on the court at the same time, they can deal with Mbah a Moute.
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